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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you, cabinet secretary. I have a quick question before I open up to questions from members. You said that the need for the amendment has come about because of suppliers defaulting. Could you explain how that happens and what sort of level it is at?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

To build on that question, we have heard from some islanders that they believe that the contracts are fairly strait-laced and cannot be changed and that, if there was evidence of the ability to change them, we would have seen that in lots of letters that suggest changes and changes to the contracts that have been approved. On that basis, we asked CalMac last week whether there was lots of evidence of contract changes, and it said that there were none that it had requested. I am now confused. You are saying that it is fleet of foot and that there is the ability to change, but CalMac says that it is not.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

Having heard from islanders that there were not changes, it would be helpful to the committee to be able to say that we have seen evidence of changes.

Just before the meeting last week, we got some information from CalMac. It gave reasons for cancelled sailings by cause. I did not understand what force majeure within its own control meant; such a definition is completely beyond me. CalMac says that the Scottish Government approved the cancellation of 1,551 sailings last year but could not give a reason for that. Do you want to give a reason for that? If you are cancelling that amount of sailings, islanders may be a little concerned.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

I would not want to set a precedent.

We move on now to item 3, which is formal consideration of the motion.

Motion moved,

That the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee recommends that the Renewables Obligation (Scotland) Amendment Order 2023 [draft] be approved.—[Michael Matheson]

Motion agreed to.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

Just to clarify, it cannot be mechanical problems with any of the ships, because CalMac said that only 1,678 mechanical problems cancelled sailings but that the Scottish Government approved the cancellation of 1,551 sailings. According to CalMac, you are carrying the can for that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

He has not. He offered to ring me and give me an explanation, which was not satisfactory to me. That information should have been given to the committee. I do not want to dwell on this too much longer, but you are carrying the can as far as I can see. CalMac talks about substitute vessels not being available for any other reason. All those are given as reasons, so it cannot be for those reasons. It would be useful if you exerted some pressure to say that you have not cancelled those sailings, because it may give the wrong impression that you have. Minister, I know that you would not want that on your shoulders.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

I am confused by your answer. In that report, the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee said that it was a “cluttered decision-making” process that “lacks transparency”; that there had been “varying degrees of failure”; that CMAL and the Scottish Government

“failed to discharge their respective responsibilities ... effectively”;

and that the experience of the contracts for 801 and 802 “exposed serious failures” in the tripartite arrangement, which therefore needs

“a root and branch overhaul”.

Basically, the REC Committee said that CMAL failed but, on the way forward, you are saying, “It’s fine. There’s not a problem. Let’s just crack on.” Is that what you are saying? If it is, I am seriously concerned for ferry procurement in Scotland.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

Do you challenge it only on the basis that you are making creeping changes?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

Okay. I will come back to that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Edward Mountain

I did not interrupt you, so please do not interrupt me, because that will not start us off on the right foot.

The RECC report says that

“Transport Scotland and CMAL applied inadequate due diligence in scrutinising and signing off the ... process”

and that “Insufficient due diligence” was undertaken. Those words are all in the report.

We are talking about a project that was due to cost £97 million but which is probably going to end up costing £0.5 billion. Forgive me if I do not understand why the people of Scotland should not find that of due concern, when your organisation was overseeing the contract. Explain to me why they should not.