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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Good morning, and welcome to the 20th meeting of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee in 2025.

Our first item of business is to decide whether to take item 4, which is consideration of our work programme, in private. Do we agree to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The second item of business is consideration of a Scottish statutory instrument. It is laid under the negative procedure, which means that it will come into force unless the Parliament agrees a motion to annul it. No such motion has been lodged.

The Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee has made no comment on the instrument. Do members have any comments?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Having prompted you to, I am happy for you to do so.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Sorry, Mr Eagle. I saw you trying to vote, but you are not quite on the committee yet.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The result of the division is: For 2, Against 5, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 310 disagreed to.

Section 1—Community-engagement obligations in relation to large land holding

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I call Rhoda Grant to speak to amendment 312 and other amendments in the group.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

As no other member wishes to speak, I will say a few words and maybe ask a few questions.

Amendment 23, in the name of Tim Eagle, states that new management plans do not have to be produced until a year after purchase. I wonder whether the cabinet secretary will support that, given that Glen Prosen was purchased in 2022, and there is still no management plan for it. I understand the need for that requirement, but I am not sure the Government has a great record in that regard.

On the duration of management plans, I agree with Tim Eagle that 20 years is probably more reasonable, because land management, especially basic land management, takes a long time. I think that the timescales for forest management plans are even longer than that, so 20 years seems entirely reasonable.

We heard about the cost of production in our evidence sessions; estimates varied, but I think that we settled on a figure in the region of £15,000 to £20,000 for small land management plans. If you have to redo the plan every 10 years, that is a huge burden on relatively small holdings of land, and I have concerns about that.

I listened to Bob Doris talk about plans being accessible, and I have some sympathy with having accessible plans and there being a single place to find them. However, I can see that growing arms and legs. One has only to look at “Who Owns Scotland” to see that the best way of defining land is through a map-based system, but the costs would be huge if there were maps for every area.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I will give way in a minute—I will just finish my train of thought.

The cabinet secretary’s view is that she does not want land management plans to become formulaic, and nor does anyone on the committee. However, I am very concerned that, if an online format is used, the plans will become formulaic in order to fit the website that they go on.

Mr Doris, did you want to come in?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I call Mercedes Villalba to speak to Rhoda Grant’s amendment 341 and any other amendments in the group.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

It is just a brief question. If you were considering granting further land into crofting, which of the three bits of crofting legislation would you bring it under? One thing that needs to be done to make crofting work is a reform of crofting legislation. Are you not in danger, by increasing crofting per se, of further muddying the water as far as the legislation is concerned?