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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Edward Mountain
The question is, that section 62 be agreed to—sorry. There are not 62 sections in the bill, for those people who are paying attention. [Laughter.] The question is, that section 2 be agreed to.
Section 2, as amended, agreed to.
After section 2
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Edward Mountain
There will be a division.
For
Lumsden, Douglas (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Against
Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Dunbar, Jackie (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Ruskell, Mark (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)
Abstentions
Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Edward Mountain
There were a lot of amendments to the 2019 act—I seem to remember sitting in the committee and dealing with more than 100 amendments on the workplace parking levy alone—so the fact that this was a failed system might have gone slightly under the radar. How long would it take the Government, if it were so minded, to bring forward primary legislation to change this very minor part of the 2019 act? I think that we are talking about section 38.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Edward Mountain
Good morning, and welcome to the 31st meeting in 2024 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. The first agenda item for consideration is evidence on the Local Services Franchises (Traffic Commissioner Notices and Panels) (Scotland) Regulations 2024. The instrument is subject to the negative procedure, which means that it will become law unless it is annulled.
We first considered the instrument on 8 October, when we noted concerns that had been raised about bus franchising panels and we agreed to seek further evidence. Because of the limited time, we wrote to five organisations and individuals, including the Scottish Government, and I thank them all for writing back. Their responses are included in the papers.
Douglas Lumsden has lodged a motion to annul the instrument. Before we have the formal debate on the motion, we will have an evidence session with the minister and his officials that will give us an opportunity to ask questions or seek clarification on the basis of the evidence that we have received. For the record, given the interest in the item and in our provision of local bus services, I state that I had already asked the Scottish Government to give evidence before Douglas Lumsden lodged his motion.
I welcome Jim Fairlie, the Minister for Agriculture and Connectivity; Sharon Wood, bus policy manager for Transport Scotland; Kevin Gibson, a lawyer for the Scottish Government; and Bridget Bryden, bus regulatory policy team leader for Transport Scotland—that is a snappy title. Thank you very much for joining us. I will give the minister a few minutes to make a brief opening statement.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Edward Mountain
Committee members have a lot of questions. I will bring in Mark Ruskell first, to be followed by Douglas Lumsden and Monica Lennon.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Edward Mountain
I call Douglas Lumsden, to be followed by Monica Lennon.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Edward Mountain
We will continue the discussion under the next agenda item, so I am sure that you will have a chance to return to your questions if you get to speak in that debate. That will be up to you.
I call Monica Lennon.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Edward Mountain
Before I come to our deputy convener, I would like to clarify a simple point. If the instrument is agreed to, and the next legislation is passed, when is the first year that we could expect to see buses moving into the new process that you suggest could happen?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Edward Mountain
So we are talking about 2026 as a minimum—possibly 2027, if there is not a fair wind and not everything has been done. I just want to get that into my brain so that I understand it.
We come to questions from our deputy convener.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Edward Mountain
Before approaching the panel?