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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Edward Mountain

No, no, Kevin, I see and hear your passion, but I have to mix the committee up to make sure that all members get their questions in. I think that Liam Kerr has one more question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Edward Mountain

I am going to wrestle this back to try to let Liam Kerr in, as he has been waiting patiently.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Edward Mountain

I am trying to understand the reporting structures. The more complicated they are, the more difficult it is to see a way through. You think that the structures work, but I was under the impression that the unions do not think that they work or think that they are opaque. The unions tried but struggled in part to explain the structures.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Edward Mountain

Ash Regan will ask the first questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Edward Mountain

The next questions will come from me. The moving annual average performance target is one of the key assessments of how well the railway network is operating. The Scottish Government constantly said that Abellio was failing them—I remember Alex Hynes having to answer questions about that in a previous committee. We now have fewer trains and we are still not meeting the target. Can someone explain that to me?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Edward Mountain

I still have not had an answer to the question. Abellio was reaching roughly the same targets that you are reaching now, but it was running more trains—so it was a more cluttered landscape—and it was criticised constantly by the Scottish Government for failing to reach the target. However, you are now saying that it is okay if that target is not met, because the service is in public ownership.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Edward Mountain

I understand that the Government will choose the ownership structure; I was just saying that we criticised Abellio for not reaching targets, but you are not reaching the targets at the moment, so should you not be criticised?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Edward Mountain

I am looking round the table but do not see anyone else who wants to come in.

We have had a wide-ranging discussion, and we have heard quite a bit about Edinburgh, Glasgow, Winchburgh and Aberdeen, but witnesses have failed to talk about Inverness, which is a subject close to my heart. The dualling of the A9 also requires the dualling and double tracking of the railway. That is an idea that we can develop outside this meeting.

Thank you very much for your time. I am sure that we will see you again.

12:10 Meeting continued in private until 12:37.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Edward Mountain

I call Mark Ruskell.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Edward Mountain

Will you clarify that for me? I am a little confused. In the last year of the franchise, when ScotRail was going to be nationalised, Abellio could make decisions on wages provided that those were approved by the Scottish Government. It could not make a decision without approval from the transport minister, because that was part of the agreement.