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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you, minister. You will not be surprised to hear that there are a lot of questions. The first ones come from Mark Ruskell.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Edward Mountain

Is there a parliamentary process that would have allowed that? Presumably, when we come back in September after recess, you will bring forward more regulations or another vehicle to stop the scheme in March. Why could we not have brought that vehicle forward now?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Edward Mountain

I am asking what the scrutiny would be. Surely, if you are saying that nothing will happen until October 2025, we are not going to continue to scrutinise something that is not going to happen, are we?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Edward Mountain

Okay. Sorry—I think that I may have caused confusion here, but I am very happy to clarify. I was trying to get an explanation from the minister—before we go on to discuss the regulations and their contents, which we will do under the next agenda item—of why there appears to be a somewhat clumsy approach that involves passing legislation to enable a scheme that is not going to go ahead in the format that is in the regulations. That is what I was trying to do.

Mark Ruskell and Bob Doris want to ask questions on the regulations. I am very happy to open up to such questions if the members feel that it would be helpful for the minister to have her team around her to be able to answer the questions, because, in the next item, only the minister can answer the questions. I want to be as fair as possible.

Bob, I think that you were first, then I will come to Mark Ruskell.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Edward Mountain

Jackie Dunbar wants to ask some questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Edward Mountain

I fear that the person for whom you are substituting might not allow you to take her place. I might have misjudged that, though—I do not want to put words in her mouth.

Minister, I have a question for you to start with, before I make a comment. When do you perceive laying the set of regulations, or the statutory instrument, to replace this statutory instrument?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Edward Mountain

Amend it.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Edward Mountain

That probably proves that we have quite a clunky system—I think that that was the description. If there had been an act before the SSI, you could have done it by other procedures—by the made affirmative procedure, I think, for those people who are interested—but there is not, so we are struggling a wee bit with the fact that this is the only way of doing it. We cannot use the made affirmative procedure in this case, so the process appears quite clunky. On that note, I thank you for your evidence.

We move straight to agenda item 4, which is the formal consideration of motion S6M-09033, calling on the committee to recommend approval of the Deposit and Return Scheme for Scotland Amendment Regulations 2023. I remind members that only the minister or members of the committee may speak in the debate. Minister, would you like to speak to this and move the motion—[Interruption.]

That was a bang and a half. If you did not hear me, minister, I asked that you speak to and move the motion.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Edward Mountain

So that instrument will need a lot more scrutiny, will it?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Edward Mountain

So there will be no other regulations in that statutory instrument apart from those to do with the date.