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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 5 November 2024
Edward Mountain
We will go to Douglas Lumsden for questions next, but I notice that our timings are going to be under pressure, so I must ask everyone to give succinct answers, where possible.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 5 November 2024
Edward Mountain
Okay, I think that we are coming at this from different angles. I will bring in the deputy convener.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 5 November 2024
Edward Mountain
This is going to get messy, because the next questions will come from you, Bob Doris. Please stick to the questions about threshold, because the deputy convener wants to come in and I am keen to come in, too, but you are getting the first crack at this.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 5 November 2024
Edward Mountain
We will turn to the deputy convener, and then to Rhoda Grant, who has been waiting patiently to ask her penultimate questions.
Meeting of the Parliament
Meeting date: 5 November 2024
Edward Mountain
Thank you, Presiding Officer—I fear that you might not need to be so, but your generosity is always gratefully received.
In closing, I note that we need to remind ourselves why we are here today: to discuss a climate change bill that was introduced because we failed to reach our targets. Those targets might have been challenging, but they were achievable, and it is wrong to blame anyone but the Government for failing to meet them.
We came here to discuss a bill that was talked about in May but not released to the committee until September. While I understand that the committee and the clerks, and everyone else, worked very hard to get the bill through the various stages, I say to the cabinet secretary that it would have been helpful if the bill had been released when it was first talked about. That would have meant that further evidence could have been gathered between May and now, which would have allowed the committee to form a more informed opinion.
I, personally, am disappointed that, despite the number of times that the committee asked the Government for information on the bill, it was rebuffed at every turn, but that is where we are. As a committee, we were given a very tight and pressured timescale in which to look at the bill, with stage 2 being discussed only on the Tuesday shortly after recess. Stage 2 amendments were lodged during recess, and stage 3 amendments had to be lodged by last Friday lunchtime. That is hardly an acceptable way to do legislation, and we could have done it in a much more considered way.
At this stage, I find myself perhaps agreeing—well, not perhaps; I agree—with Patrick Harvie. It is a sad day, because we have now accepted that the targets that we as a Parliament have set ourselves will not be achieved. That is sad news, but I believe that there are some benefits. For example, carbon budgeting will give us a better way by which to achieve our net zero targets.
Another reason for sadness is that this Parliament has decided that it is not appropriate to align with the UK on carbon budgets. In my life, experience has taught me that if you try to rush ahead of what everyone else is doing, it invariably means that it will cost you more, as you will be using newer technology, which probably will not last the pace as you require it to do.
In conclusion, I congratulate everyone on working together, which we all have, but we had to do so because this Government was in danger of breaking a law that had been passed by the Scottish Parliament.
We are where we are. I look forward to receiving the climate change plan and the carbon budget when they arrive and hope that the Government will expedite those as soon as it has had advice from the Climate Change Committee and as soon as the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee—if I am still on it—has had time to give further thoughtful consideration to the targets.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Edward Mountain
The question is, that section 62 be agreed to—sorry. There are not 62 sections in the bill, for those people who are paying attention. [Laughter.] The question is, that section 2 be agreed to.
Section 2, as amended, agreed to.
After section 2
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Edward Mountain
Amendment 1, in the name of Graham Simpson, is grouped with amendments 3, 28 to 30, 46, 32, 6, 7, 53 and 9.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Edward Mountain
I apologise—it has obviously been a long day.
I call Mr Lumsden to speak to amendment 51.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Edward Mountain
The result of the division is: For 2, Against 5, Abstentions 0.
Amendment 51 disagreed to.
Section 5 agreed to.
Sections 6 and 7 agreed to.
Long title agreed to.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Edward Mountain
The result of the division is: For 1, Against 4, Abstentions 2.
Amendment 27 disagreed to.
Section 5—Ancillary provision