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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 21 September 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Automated Vehicles Bill

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Edward Mountain

Thanks, minister. Committee members have some questions, the first of which will come from Mark Ruskell.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Automated Vehicles Bill

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Edward Mountain

I ask you to help me, as this issue seems quite abstract. I am still trying to get round the fact that I will get into a car and there will be no driver and I will put my life in the hands of a computer, which I have some fears about—although people may say that about my driving anyway. What I am trying to work out is what an example of an offence would be. If one of your officials could give a real-life example that I can understand, it would probably make things less abstract for me.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Automated Vehicles Bill

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Edward Mountain

Just help me. The user in charge is muggins—me—driving the vehicle, and, if I park in a bus lane or I enter an LEZ, I will have committed an offence. However, if it is an automated vehicle, I am not in charge of the vehicle, so the responsibility lies with somebody else. Is that what you are saying?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Automated Vehicles Bill

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Edward Mountain

What I do not understand is why there is any difference or why there is a difficulty here.

09:15  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Automated Vehicles Bill

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Edward Mountain

Thanks. Mark—it was your question, so back to you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Automated Vehicles Bill

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Edward Mountain

Before you bring anyone else in, cabinet secretary, I want to go back to your generous offer with regard to the correspondence that you mentioned. The committee would like to see that, because I think that it would be useful for us.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Automated Vehicles Bill

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Edward Mountain

Cabinet secretary, I would be happy if you answer that question briefly. The issue is not part of the LCM but I think that it is a legitimate question for a two-sentence answer.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Automated Vehicles Bill

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Edward Mountain

Clause 50 seems to me to be like hypothetical bears hiding behind trees becoming a threat. It is hypothetical. If the Scottish Law Commission has been involved throughout the process, does it share the Scottish Government’s fear or is it more sanguine about it on the basis that the situation is developing and what happens today could change tomorrow, with the speed of AI development?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Automated Vehicles Bill

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Edward Mountain

Okay. I think that Wales would say that they have rolled 20mph speed limits out across Wales quicker than we have in Scotland, so they must have some powers that could be affected by this.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Automated Vehicles Bill

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Edward Mountain

Thank you very much, cabinet secretary. That concludes our evidence session. As I said, we will consider and agree a short report to the Parliament next week. Thank you for your time this morning.

I briefly suspend the meeting to allow a changeover of witnesses.

09:45 Meeting suspended.  

09:50 On resuming—