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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Edward Mountain

Our next item of business is consideration of a draft statutory instrument, the Deposit and Return Scheme for Scotland (Miscellaneous Amendments) Regulations 2023. The instrument has been laid under the affirmative procedure, which means that the Parliament must approve it before it comes into force.

The main purpose of the instrument is to amend the date for the full implementation of Scotland’s deposit and return scheme to 1 October 2025. Eagle-eyed members who have read the committee papers will have noticed that there was an error at point 1, which talked about “2024”, but the date is 2025.

The minister will move the motion on the instrument under the next agenda item. Before that, we will have an evidence session on the instrument and will have a more general update on the DRS.

I am pleased to welcome Lorna Slater, the Minister for Green Skills, Circular Economy and Biodiversity, and, from the Scottish Government, Ailsa Heine, a solicitor; David McPhee, the deputy director of the deposit return scheme; and Haydn Thomas, the head of the deposit return scheme unit. Thank you for joining us. I remind everyone that the officials can speak during this agenda item but not during the next one.

I invite the minister to make a brief opening statement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Edward Mountain

I understand that, to an extent, but you could have set a very low level of deposit on cans and plastic bottles, which the UK Government might have accepted. When you were going to introduce the deposit return scheme, you were talking of having stick-on labels for some small producers. You had not even sorted the labelling out, so I am not sure that it is possible to blame everyone else.

Were we too premature in throwing it out? Would it be possible, with a year of fruitful negotiation, to come up with a scheme that allows cans and plastic containers to be recycled through deposit return?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Edward Mountain

Monica Lennon, you have the next question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Edward Mountain

I did not mean to kill all the conversation.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Edward Mountain

In my book, comparing oneself to another person and saying that you are better, although you are not reaching the standard to which you aspire, is not really a measure of performance.

I go back to the question. The public performance measure—not the public satisfaction measure—has not been met since nationalisation. Increasing performance was one of the reasons given for nationalisation. When do you think that you are going to achieve the target? What happens if you have not achieved it in, say, six months’ time? There is nowhere to go after nationalisation, is there?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Edward Mountain

Bizarrely enough, minister, I have been listening to those assurances since 2016, since I first joined the committee that dealt with transport and trains. I heard them from Alex Hynes, when he was in charge of Abellio, and I have now heard them from you. I am sure that we will come back to that issue in six months’ time, but on that note, I move on to the next questions, which I believe are from Monica Lennon. I think that it is Monica next, is it not?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Edward Mountain

That is quite a comment to make, and I will check whether the committee was reticent in delaying its response. I do not believe that it was, and I will certainly not accept that. I will park that issue, because I am happy to have that conversation with the cabinet secretary offline.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Edward Mountain

It is probably fair to say—and it is not surprising—that the committee has requested a debate on ferries and the report that we produced. We have not been given a date yet but, when we have one, I am sure that you will be able to give us complete answers to all the questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Edward Mountain

Okay. Thank you very much, cabinet secretary. It has been a fairly full session. I am just looking around to make sure that I have not missed any member who wants to come in with another question. I think that that is it.

I will suspend the meeting briefly, but before I do so I remind you that the committee will be writing to the Government with our pre-budget observations later in the autumn.

10:16 Meeting suspended.  

10:25 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Edward Mountain

We move to questions from Mark Ruskell.