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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 21 December 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 11 June 2024

Edward Mountain

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the 21st meeting in 2024 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. The first item on our agenda is to make a decision on whether to take in private items 3, 4 and 5. Item 3 is consideration of the evidence that we will hear on the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill, item 4 is further consideration of visits and engagement as part of our scrutiny of that bill, and item 5 is consideration of our approach to a proposal for the United Kingdom Government to legislate in a devolved area. For the record, I note that we propose to formally dispose of that notification in public at a meeting in the near future; today’s item involves purely preliminary consideration of our approach.

Do we agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Salmon Farming in Scotland

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Edward Mountain

As I did during the REC Committee’s inquiry in the previous session, I will make a full declaration of my interests. I am a partner in a salmon fishery on the east coast of Scotland that employs three full-time employees and provides numerous other jobs for people in the area through the tenants we bring in. The fishery generates income, and all those details can be found in my entry in the register of members’ interests.

The reason why I do not think that my taking part in today’s meeting represents a conflict of interest is that there are, I believe, no fish farms that affect salmon fisheries on the east coast. All the fish farms are located on the west coast, and the salmon from the River Spey, which is where I have my interest, migrate up the east coast and then head north, so they cannot be affected by those fish farms. However, there should be no doubt that I have an interest in wild fisheries management, which I have been undertaking for about 45 years.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Salmon Farming in Scotland

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Edward Mountain

I think that one of my questions could best be dealt with by letter. I am slightly concerned that I do not understand the difference between the RSPCA and the RSPCA Assured scheme. The articles of association say that the RSPCA can appoint the chair of the assurance scheme and members of the trustees, and that they share the uses. It might be helpful for that to be clarified, because I am confused by that. I do not want to argue about it.

The RECC report made 65 recommendations, 64 of which I stand by and one of them I do not stand by. Recommendation 3 stated:

“The Committee notes calls for a moratorium on new salmon farm development and expansion of existing sites, it considers that there is insufficient evidence to support this.”

Was the committee wrong or right? A yes or a no will do. I will ask each member of the panel.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Salmon Farming in Scotland

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Edward Mountain

But fish can build up AMR.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Salmon Farming in Scotland

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Edward Mountain

Sorry, but can the diseases that affect fish pick up AMR, or are you saying—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Salmon Farming in Scotland

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Edward Mountain

I am absolutely not deep diving, convener, and I will stick to the points, but if evidence is given to the committee that I think is fundamentally flawed, I must challenge it, otherwise it will not be on the official record.

Annette, I hope you are in Inverness in that wonderful centre that I visited the other day. I want to probe on antibiotic resistance and chemical resistance. Antibiotic use leads to antibiotic resistance. Are we seeing that in salmon farming, and is that a factor of increased use of chemicals or is it something that we should not worry about?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Salmon Farming in Scotland

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Edward Mountain

Are you saying they cannot?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Salmon Farming in Scotland

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Edward Mountain

Yes.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Salmon Farming in Scotland

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Edward Mountain

I will have to wait to read your report.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Salmon Farming in Scotland

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Edward Mountain

I want to drill down into something that Sam Martin said. You said that sea lice do not kill fish, but 15 minutes later you said that if they are not treated sea lice allow in other diseases that could kill the fish. It is a bit like saying stage 1 cancer does not kill you, but the follow-on cancers will. Is that not right? Sea lice do kill fish.