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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Edward Mountain

It might not be intended to target them, but it appears that it might do that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Edward Mountain

Okay. I will have a look at that. I have to say that that completely passed me by, but there we go. I am sorry, Monica—keep going.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you, minister.

When I was welcoming people to the meeting, I should have welcomed Murdo Fraser and Sarah Boyack. They will get a chance to ask some questions at the end, depending on time and on how many questions they have.

The first question will come from our deputy convener, Ben Macpherson.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Edward Mountain

Yes.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Edward Mountain

Large businesses can just move things around where they want to. I am sorry. Am I not phrasing my question correctly? Bob Doris can ask his question and then I will come back in.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Edward Mountain

I think that the Finance and Public Administration Committee went slightly further than that, if I have read the report correctly. It said that, in the financial memorandum, you had underestimated the cost of doing things. In broad figures, the costs of employing people varied considerably from less than £500,000 to nearly £1 million. There was an assumption of 100 per cent payment of fixed-penalty notices—good luck with that, because I am not sure that anyone else achieves it. Insufficient money was put aside for education, which we have heard is really important.

I could go on and on, but the most difficult comment for me to go past is the one in paragraph 55 that says:

“affordability does not appear to be a key factor in Scottish Government decision-making”.

The report makes that comment in relation to the bill. Do you think that the Finance and Public Administration Committee is wrong?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Edward Mountain

If I ran a small business and I did not have a big warehouse in every part of the world—if I had just a small warehouse in Scotland—I would be really hard hit. Are you going to give small businesses a bye and say that they do not have to take part? That would negate the whole point.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Edward Mountain

Would you do that at the primary source of the waste—when the person disposes of the material—or would you like to see it done later in the journey?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Edward Mountain

It is a wonderful idea that people who live in rural settings have more time to split up their waste than anyone else has.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Edward Mountain

We will of course circulate that to the member.