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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 24 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Biodiversity Strategy (Draft Delivery Plan)

Meeting date: 12 December 2023

Edward Mountain

There is an assumption.

Clare, do you want to say anything?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Biodiversity Strategy (Draft Delivery Plan)

Meeting date: 12 December 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you very much. That is kind. I will move to the two members who have joined the committee for the day. Would you like to come in now or after them, deputy convener? Whatever suits you; I do not want to upset you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Biodiversity Strategy (Draft Delivery Plan)

Meeting date: 12 December 2023

Edward Mountain

I will bring Calum Duncan in, and then I will push you for your second question. You gave quite a long statement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Biodiversity Strategy (Draft Delivery Plan)

Meeting date: 12 December 2023

Edward Mountain

I will go to Tavish Scott because Elspeth Macdonald answered the last question. Clare Cavers can then come in, if she wants.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Biodiversity Strategy (Draft Delivery Plan)

Meeting date: 12 December 2023

Edward Mountain

I have tried to let the conversation run, which will come back to bite me at the end, because not every committee member will get everything that they want from the session. I will slightly squeeze each person’s time to have answers that are as succinct as possible. I move to Bob Doris for the next lot of questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Biodiversity Strategy (Draft Delivery Plan)

Meeting date: 12 December 2023

Edward Mountain

If none of you throws your hands up, I will nominate somebody, which is always dangerous. I will not nominate the same person each time. I will start with Elspeth Macdonald and then probably come to Phil Taylor or Calum Duncan.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Biodiversity Strategy (Draft Delivery Plan)

Meeting date: 12 December 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you all for starting off like that. I do not think that anyone will agree that the status quo is acceptable or that we have 10 years to let it run; we probably do not. We will drill down into the questions. The first is from Douglas Lumsden.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Biodiversity Strategy (Draft Delivery Plan)

Meeting date: 12 December 2023

Edward Mountain

I am sure that you will get the hang of this by the end, Calum. If I cough gently and make a gesture, it means that you need to wind up. That means that I do not have to cut off your microphone.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Biodiversity Strategy (Draft Delivery Plan)

Meeting date: 12 December 2023

Edward Mountain

Our next item of business is an evidence session on the draft delivery plan to accompany the Scottish Government’s new biodiversity strategy. The committee is continuing work that it started last autumn, when it took evidence on the draft strategy. It was clear that the practical delivery of the strategy was going to be crucial, and this session is about the new draft plan. Today, we have a panel of experts on marine biodiversity to share their views on the draft. We will discuss the terrestrial aspects of the plan early in the new year.

This morning, I am pleased to welcome Dr Clare Cavers, senior projects manager at Fidra; Calum Duncan, head of conservation, Scotland, at the Marine Conservation Society; Elspeth Macdonald, chief executive of the Scottish Fishermen’s Federation—gosh, that proved a bit difficult to say—Tavish Scott, chief executive of Salmon Scotland; and Phil Taylor, head of policy and operations at the Open Seas Trust. Vicki Paxton, partnership manager for Moray Firth Coastal Partnership, was going to participate remotely, but she is, unfortunately, unwell and so is unable to join us. Thank you to those who are here. We have just over 90 minutes for the session.

Before we move to questions, I will declare an interest, which I always do when we discuss salmon in any shape or form. So that the committee and the panel are aware, I am the joint owner of a wild salmon fishery on the east coast of Scotland. That wild salmon fishery generates income and employment in the local economy and, to my mind, is not affected by aquaculture on the west coast of Scotland, because the salmon that migrate from the river that I am involved with do not move through that aquaculture zone. For clarity, I take the importance of wild salmon to heart. This morning, I was concerned to see that wild salmon is on the International Union for Conservation of Nature’s red list. There should be no doubt in anyone’s mind that I have an interest. I am and have been passionate about the subject for about 40-odd years, so I am not going to change.

On that note, we will move to questions. I will put the first question to each of you in turn, so you will all have a chance to answer it. I have read your submissions to the committee. I do not think that anyone universally supports the way in which the delivery plan is going forward. Some people think that it does not go far enough and some think that it goes too far as it is. I will start with you, Clare. I am not giving you a platform of an hour and a half, but you can take a couple of minutes to say why it is either good or bad. I will come to each of you in turn.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Biodiversity Strategy (Draft Delivery Plan)

Meeting date: 12 December 2023

Edward Mountain

I do not want to stop you going through all of the points, but everyone on the panel is thinking, “Oh, she’s stealing all my points”.

I will move on but, before I do, may I say that my manners left me briefly at the beginning of the meeting, for which I apologise. I should have welcomed Finlay Carson, convener of the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee, and Rhoda Grant, both of whom have joined us and will get a chance to ask questions at the end. Sorry to cut you off, Clare. I move now to Calum Duncan.