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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 24 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

That is interesting.

The deputy convener, Ben Macpherson, is on his way, but he is struggling slightly to get here, given the conditions, and might miss the first part of the meeting.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Agenda item 3 is consideration of a draft statutory instrument: the Bus Services Improvement Partnerships (Objections) (Scotland) Regulations 2024. I am pleased to welcome Fiona Hyslop, the Minister for Transport. The minister is joined by Liana Waclawski, a lawyer for the Scottish Government; Orsolya Keri—I might not have got the pronunciations right; I always struggle a wee bit, and I apologise, so if I have been clumsy, forgive me—the bus regulatory policy manager for Transport Scotland; and Bettina Sizeland, the director of bus, accessibility and active travel for Transport Scotland. Thank you very much for joining us today.

Following the evidence session, the committee will be invited, under the next agenda item, to consider a motion calling for the committee to recommend approval of the draft instrument. I remind everyone that the officials can speak during this item but not in the debate that follows.

I invite the minister to make a brief opening statement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Okay. I was not going to get into concessionary funding, because that funds only a proportion of the actual costs. I am asking whether local transport partnerships have the money to create their own bus companies. I do not think that there is much money available. You said that £5 million in capital funding has been provided. I cannot remember the cost of a bus, but that would not even cover 15 buses, would it?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

I am sure that local authorities will have a view on where they will struggle to find the money from.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

It is just an observation. If you want them to run as fast as possible, they will have to learn the process of not tripping over their own feet as they do it, if you will excuse the analogy. I am just worried that they are new and we need to give them time.

Mark, you have some questions before I ask a further question, and then Bob.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Biodiversity Strategy (Draft Delivery Plan)

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Edward Mountain

We can now, but we missed the first part, and I would hate it if you did not get your most salient point across.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Biodiversity Strategy (Draft Delivery Plan)

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Douglas, just before you go on to the next question, I will float this point. I am concerned that it took quite a lot of time to get in all the answers to the first question. I have worked out that we have three hours of answers to come back, but we do not have three hours of time. Therefore, I will push you all continually during the meeting to be as brief as possible. I have started off 2024 on a sharp note on that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Biodiversity Strategy (Draft Delivery Plan)

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Edward Mountain

I have a couple of questions, if I may. It was interesting to hear Paul Walton’s point about stoat control in Orkney, which will cost us £60 million by the time we get to the end of the project. It is necessary, and I fully accept that, but what I do not understand is who draws the lines. For example, we would probably like to see white storks back in Scotland and across the United Kingdom, and we would probably like to see the return of the common tree frog—two very easy species to manage. We might be a bit more reticent about wild boar. In fact, I do not want to see wild boar ripping up our woodlands in Scotland. They might be able to control ponticum on the west coast, but maybe we do not need them elsewhere.

We are talking about the wolf and the lynx and we already have beaver coming back, but we seem to introduce these things without considering control. The perfect example is Abernethy, which Paul Walton will know very well, and I know very well, and the need to protect the capercaillie—although we seem to allow pine marten to run riot, which definitely affects ground-nesting birds. Does there need to be a more persuasive and clear management plan, which could mean that we have to manage species within zones in the same way as we manage agriculture or trees within zones, and should we not accept that we cannot have everything running around all over the place?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Biodiversity Strategy (Draft Delivery Plan)

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Edward Mountain

—along woodland edges to protect riparian habitats. I see conflict, however, so I am trying to ask whether we should accept that management should be in the plan.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Biodiversity Strategy (Draft Delivery Plan)

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Please do not get me wrong. I am all for stoats being wiped out of Orkney because they should never have been there in the first place. Perhaps we should be doing something about controlling how they got there to ensure that that never happens again.