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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 24 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

It was indicated that some supplementaries might require to be asked. Sarah Boyack said that she might want to ask a question on the matter, and I note that Mark Ruskell definitely has a question. Sarah, do you want to start? I am trying not to say “kick off”, because we do not want that in the committee. Do you want to start with a question, and then we will go to Mark Ruskell?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Under agenda item 2, we must decide whether to take in private item 7, which is consideration of the evidence that we will hear today on environmental governance in Scotland. Do we agree to take that item in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Okay. Perfect. The next questions will be from Mark Ruskell.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Mark?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

All done? Gosh.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Let me clarify. The fees that could be racked up before you get to court, if you, in fact, decide to go to court, sound quite terrifying. By the time that you have taken an environmental King’s Counsel opinion, probably a second opinion because the first one was not definitive enough and all the lawyers that all that requires, you are probably edging on to £30,000 just to get it to court. Is that way out of scope, or is it closer to £60,000 to get it to court? Then there is the fear of getting to court and losing the case and somebody then trying to reclaim their costs against you. Give us an indication of what we are talking about; that may help us to understand why legal support may be required.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Have Transport Scotland officials engaged with their United Kingdom counterparts, especially those in Greater Manchester, to learn about the development of bus franchising in major metropolitan areas in England?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Sorry. I wrongfooted you. My mistake.

I was going to ask about the Aarhus convention, but I guess that we have kind of covered that. The one concern that I have about what I have heard today is about making the process more specialised. Once you make it more specialised, you get experts. Once you get experts, you get increased fees. Once you get increased fees, you go into a circle of whether you can afford to get justice as well. I do not know whether that is a problem.

Professor Hendry, I think that you want to tell me that that is wrong—do you?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

So the speed would save the fees, perhaps.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Okay. Thank you.

I think that Bob Doris has further questions and reflections on an earlier question.