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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 24 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Good morning, and welcome to the second meeting in 2024 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. We have received formal apologies from Monica Lennon, and I am pleased to welcome Sarah Boyack, who is attending the meeting as the Scottish Labour substitute.

Under our first agenda item, I invite Sarah Boyack to declare any relevant interests in relation to the committee and the evidence session.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

I slipped past the deputy convener, who has another question. Back to you, Ben.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Shivali Fifield and Lloyd Austin would like to come in on that, if you are happy for them to do so and see where it goes, Mark.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Shivali, you made some comments about ESS. I am not going to defend it; I am just going to ask a question of you. It is a relatively new organisation that is bedding in, finding its feet and trying to establish a pattern of work. We have had evidence from it in the committee, and we see—I think this is the right way to put it—a trend. You were a little bit condemnatory. Do you think that it is a little bit unfair to judge it at the moment as it finds its feet?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Okay. It appears that I am not going to get much further on the issue of money or on that issue, so I will bring in Jackie Dunbar to ask the next question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Thank you for confirming that. What has it proven? What has come of it?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Agenda item 6 is consideration of a statutory instrument that is laid under the negative procedure, which means that its provisions will come into force unless the Parliament agrees to a motion to annul them. No motions to annul have been laid.

Unless members have any comments, I invite the committee to agree that it does not wish to make any recommendations in relation to the instrument. Are we agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Does anyone want to make any contributions at this stage? The minister will get a chance to sum up and answer questions at the end.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

I thank the minister and her officials for attending and suspend the meeting until 10:25 to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

10:16 Meeting suspended.  

10:25 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Thank you very much, minister. I seem to remember that, when we were considering the bill that became the 2019 act, there was quite a lot of support for local transport authorities establishing local bus companies. If I remember rightly, Lothian Buses was an anomaly as a result of the law not having been complied with in relation to its disbandment and privatisation.

There is encouragement for the establishment of such companies, but there is no money for it in the budget this year. If you are not going to give local transport authorities any money, how will they be able to do that, given the huge costs involved?