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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 January 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Edward Mountain

I understand your enthusiasm for the subject, but let me ask you a question about plastics, because you are saying that there is a huge cost. If plastics have been considered, would you expect to see the benefit side of the equation reducing or increasing as a result of not having them? Are you confident that the £1.3 billion of benefits in the first period includes the cost of not having so much plastic in the economy, or do you think that that has just been ignored?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Edward Mountain

You are drifting away from my original question. Are you happy with the figures in the draft plan?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Edward Mountain

In relation to the evidence that we have heard so far, I want to drag us back to the Highlands and Islands, which is the area that I live in. We do not have such transport routes. Yesterday, there were no trains and no buses. If I had jumped on a bicycle to get here, I would probably have got only as far as Aviemore by now. How do we sell this policy to the people who are not the low-hanging fruit, who might be penalised by some of the things that have been suggested?

Sarah, do you want to have a go at answering that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Edward Mountain

Welcome back. We are now in public for our third item of business, which is an evidence session on the Scottish Government’s draft climate change plan. The plan sets out how the Government intends to meet its carbon emissions reduction targets. The committee is leading a cross-committee effort to scrutinise the draft plan. The Scottish Government has said that it will lay the final plan before the Parliament is dissolved at the end of March. Everyone giving evidence today will be contributing to a report that we will publish in late February. A debate in the chamber will follow.

I welcome to the meeting Professor Adrian Davis, transport research institute, Edinburgh Napier University; Professor Rachel Aldred, University of Westminster; Lamech Solomon, head of decarbonisation policy, Logistics UK; and Sara Collier, senior public affairs manager for the Confederation of Passenger Transport. Thank you all for attending this morning.

This evidence session will cover all the main aspects of the transport sector. I note that we discussed electric vehicles and charging points at the meeting on 16 December, so I feel that that part has probably largely been covered, although we may come back to it.

In the normal way in this committee, I get to ask the introductory questions, which are meant to be a gentle warmer into the bank to give you each a chance to say what you think. Are the policies that are set out in the draft climate change plan sufficient to deliver the Scottish Government’s overarching goals for car use reduction and modal shift, including in the freight sector?

The answer could just be yes or no, but I suspect that you will want to say a bit more than that. I remind you that there are four of you, so if somebody wants to say something that somebody else has already said, it would be better just to say, “I agree with so-and-so,” rather than repeating it all, because time is of the essence.

Professor Davis, do you want to start?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Edward Mountain

Mark Ruskell wants to come in briefly.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Edward Mountain

I am afraid that our time for this evidence session has run out. I thank all the witnesses for attending and giving their evidence. I will suspend the meeting before we take evidence on the Government’s draft climate change plan from the second panel of witnesses.

11:05 Meeting suspended.  

11:13 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Edward Mountain

I am checking this with broadcasting colleagues, but my understanding is that broadcasting will unmute you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Edward Mountain

Ah, okay. I understand that. Normally, broadcasting unmutes witnesses, but because you are coming in in a different way, you need to unmute yourself. I apologise. We can now hear you. Go for it.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Edward Mountain

Yes. How should we deal with it? It appears that private car use will be hit first by the climate change plan—it is at the pinnacle or the sharp pointy end—and the private car is used in rural areas more than anything else, because there ain’t anything else.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Edward Mountain

We will not quote you, of course.