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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 9 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Edward Mountain

I am obviously doing this very badly, so I will ask my question again. How will the bill help us to do that? You have not told me how the bill will make what you have set out happen, which is why you are saying that we should agree to a legislative consent motion.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Edward Mountain

I am not sure that I am getting any further, so I will hand over to the deputy convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Edward Mountain

Clive, I warned you that I was coming to you next.

It has been suggested that NatureScot does not have enough powers to investigate potentially severe damage to protected sites or species. Does NatureScot want more powers in the bill, or do you just generally want more powers?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Edward Mountain

I suggest, minister, that it might help you and your officials to reflect on that and perhaps come back to the committee when you have had a chance to do so. It would help us with our consideration of SAF’s role in the climate change plan, and I think that it would be useful to have some considered thought process.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Edward Mountain

I am still struggling to understand this in my mind. We are talking about adding something to the armoury to make up for a deficiency—or a perceived deficiency—when, for 11 years, we have not been using the weapons that we already have to resolve that perceived deficiency. The bill seems like an add-on that is not required. Am I missing something?

Sarah Hendry, you look as though you are about to disagree with me.

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Edward Mountain

Did I? Oh, I did, Kevin. That was a huge mistake—I apologise profusely.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Edward Mountain

I am pleased that that was clarified. I was concerned about that at our previous meeting on the bill.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Edward Mountain

Our second item of business is an evidence session on the Ecocide (Scotland) Bill. This will be our third evidence session on the bill, which has been referred to the committee for consideration at stage 1. We are gathering evidence on the general principles of the bill before we report to the Parliament. The Parliament has not yet set a stage 1 deadline.

We will hear from a panel of witnesses who have expertise in how we currently use the law and other forms of regulation to deal with serious environmental damage in Scotland. I welcome Ross Haggart, chief operating officer for regulation, business and environment at the Scottish Environment Protection Agency; Professor Sarah Hendry, chair of law at the University of Dundee; Professor Campbell Gemmell, environmental consultant and former chief executive officer of the South Australian Environment Protection Authority and SEPA; Dr Clive Mitchell, head of terrestrial science at NatureScot; and Mark Roberts, chief executive of Environmental Standards Scotland. Thank you for attending the meeting.

I have said to those who are present in the room that we have a large panel of five witnesses. Therefore, saying that you agree with someone who has already been asked a question is nothing to be ashamed of, and it would help me to manage the time for committee members who want to ask questions. If you can agree and keep it as simple as that, I would appreciate it but, obviously, if you want to add something that has been missed or needs to be added, that is fine.

The first questions will be from me. To what extent is the regulatory landscape in Scotland equipped to punish and deter instances of severe environmental damage? Is there a gap in the law that would justify us having the bill? I will start with Mark Roberts and work along, before I come to people online.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Edward Mountain

I am a little confused. Will the bill not put huge pressure on consenting authorities, given that what they are consenting to might have an effect that they are not entirely aware of at the time? Campbell Gemmell mentioned fish farming. The chemical Slice is used to kill sea lice, but it also kills other crustaceans.

What is the long-term effect of that? If the bill came in, would SEPA be able to consent to the use of a chemical that has an approved on-label use but where the long-term effects are completely unknown? SEPA would then be held liable for ecocide under the legislation.

Campbell, do you want to come in on that? Have I got that entirely wrong?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Edward Mountain

That was nicely answered.