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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 January 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

There will be a division.

For

Lumsden, Douglas (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Ruskell, Mark (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)

Against

Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Dunbar, Jackie (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)

Abstentions

Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab)

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

There will be a division.

For

Ruskell, Mark (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)

Against

Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Dunbar, Jackie (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Lumsden, Douglas (North East Scotland) (Con)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

The result of the division is: For 1, Against 6, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 25 disagreed to.

Amendment 26 not moved.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

Mark, because the cabinet secretary nodded and that cannot be put in the Official Report, will you ask her how much you were actually asking for, or what you were asking for, and which she was agreeing to?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

I ask Mark Ruskell to speak to amendment 19 and other amendments in the group.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

It looks as though that will be discussed later, Mr Harvie.

I invite Mark Ruskell to speak to amendment 18 and other amendments in the group.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

Welcome back. We continue our stage 2 consideration of the Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill. Amendment 17, in the name of Patrick Harvie, is grouped with amendments 18, 21 and 56.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

I wonder how, if the Parliament does not have a chance to scrutinise whether there is sufficient money available, we are ever going to reach the targets. Surely money will drive whether we can reach the targets. Is that what you are driving at? If it is, I wonder how the Government will look at that. I am interested in your views.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

Douglas Lumsden has some questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

Before I go to the minister, I would like to make a couple of comments. I started off this morning probably in the same position as Monica, not sure that a motion to annul would be the correct way forward. I have listened to the comprehensive evidence that we have taken this morning, which is quite interesting. I lived and breathed as convener of the REC Committee through the passage of the Transport (Scotland) Bill in 2019. I could probably quote some of the amendments and I saw where some of the issues were. The issue that we are discussing today was never flagged up then—it is not something that we saw—and the committee and the Parliament subsequently supported the franchising system.

Today’s meeting has demonstrated the Parliament when it is at its best, which is when we are doing something called post-legislative scrutiny. We are looking at something and saying to ourselves, “We’re not sure about this. We’re not sure if this is the right decision.” That is where we are at. Just because somebody is doing something elsewhere, following them and doing it in Scotland is not necessarily the right way to go.

I am not convinced by any of the arguments today that a motion to annul would delay the franchising system. In fact, I think that it will strengthen it. I think that it will make it better because everyone will buy into it and support it.

I do not want to put words into your mouth, minister, but you said that you were acutely aware of the feelings of the committee and that you would consider them afterwards. However, it will be up to the Cabinet, as a Cabinet Government, to decide whether changes can be made if the statutory instrument goes through. There is no guarantee to the committee that changes will be made if we allow it to go through. Things change—politics change—and therefore we cannot be sure of that.

For those reasons, and because I have very large concerns that what we are doing might not be the right way to go, I will support those members who said that passing a motion to annul is the right thing to do. I put on record that it is a testament to this committee that the process of post-legislative scrutiny of the Transport (Scotland) Act 2019, which is effectively what we have done, has been effective.

I now pass to the minister before I ask Mr Lumsden to sum up.