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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 January 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

This seems to be an appropriate moment for us to pause to have something to eat before we go on to the next section and, cabinet secretary, for your officials to recover from the shock of finding out that I was the cabinet secretary, albeit briefly. The looks on their faces say that they need a moment to compose themselves.

We will break briefly now until 1.20. Thank you very much, everyone.

12:48 Meeting suspended.  

13:20 On resuming—  

After section 3

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

I call Sarah Boyack to briefly wind up and to press or seek to withdraw amendment 55.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

When I was welcoming people to the committee, I should also have welcomed Graham Simpson, who has joined us today. He will get to ask questions at the end of the evidence session.

I thank the minister for his opening statement. It is interesting that we have a committee member who sat through the passage of what became the 2019 act as a member of the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee and who therefore looked at that legislation in some detail. We also have an ex-cabinet secretary for transport who was responsible for the legislation, so we have some knowledge of it.

I do not think that the relevant section of the 2019 act was highlighted as a problem when it came before the REC Committee, but it is being highlighted now, as the system in question will be used in Scotland and nowhere else. Does that justify our using it in Scotland and sticking with something that the Parliament was perhaps not made aware of when it voted on the legislation?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

Mr Lumsden, you said that you had a question, but you have asked two, at the last count.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

I am sorry, Douglas—I have given you quite a lot of time on that, and other committee members wish to come in. I will bring you back in afterwards, but I would like to widen the discussion, rather than hear just from you and the minister. I will bring in Monica Lennon, and we will then see who is next.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

There will be a division.

For

Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Lumsden, Douglas (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Ruskell, Mark (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)

Against

Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Dunbar, Jackie (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

The result of the division is: For 4, Against 3, Abstentions 0.

Motion agreed to,

That the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee recommends that the Local Services Franchises (Traffic Commissioner Notices and Panels) (Scotland) Regulations 2024 (SSI 2024/229) be annulled.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

It is up to Mr Lumsden whether he takes a question or continues to wind up.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

I will ask Douglas Lumsden to briefly wind up.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

With respect to both of you—I know that you are arguing and it is always great to have an informed discussion—I would like the discussion to be through me, rather than being head to head, because I struggle to hear both people talking at once.