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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 25 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Edward Mountain

I hear that.

Cabinet secretary, my comment to you is simply that the ferries were to be delivered in 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 and now 2024 but we still have not got the harbours ready for them. It does not appear that we will be in a position to have the harbours ready for them for a long time to come, because we are just doing the business case. Can you see why people might be frustrated by that? Perhaps it is just me. I have been considering ferries for seven years and seem to have understood the problems better than other people have.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Mr Lumsden, it always helps if you look the other way when you want to ask a string of questions, so that I cannot interrupt you. We are running short of time, so I encourage members to keep questions as short as possible.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Monica Lennon has a quick question, and then I will go back to Ben Macpherson.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Edward Mountain

When we next meet SEPA, we can take that up. I go to Ben Macpherson for his final question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Does Ben Macpherson want to press on any of that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Two members—Graham Simpson and Douglas Lumsden—have indicated that they want to ask questions. I will let Graham ask his questions. If he takes too long, he will preclude his colleague Douglas from asking questions, so that is on Graham’s head.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Decisions on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the fourth meeting in 2024 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee.

The first item on the agenda is decisions on taking business in private. First, we will consider whether to take agenda items 3 and 4 in private. Under item 3, we will consider the evidence that we will hear under item 2, on the Scottish budget, and, under item 4, we will consider a draft letter on the Scottish biodiversity strategy. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Agenda item 2 is an evidence session with the Scottish Government on its proposed budget for the financial year 2024-25.

Last week, we heard from the Deputy First Minister in her capacity as Cabinet Secretary for Finance and from the Cabinet Secretary for Wellbeing Economy, Fair Work and Energy. For this session, I am pleased to welcome the Cabinet Secretary for Transport, Net Zero and Just Transition, Màiri McAllan, and the Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs, Land Reform and Islands, Mairi Gougeon, who is attending the meeting remotely. I expect to see her on the screen shortly.

We are also joined by Anna Densham, deputy director, land reform, rural and islands policy, Scottish Government; Simon Fuller, deputy director, rural and environmental science and analytical services, Scottish Government; Philip Raines, deputy director, domestic climate change, Scottish Government; Brendan Callaghan, head of operational delivery, Scottish Forestry; and Kerry Twyman, director, finance and corporate services, Transport Scotland. Thank you for joining us this morning.

I also welcome Graham Simpson, who has joined us for this session. I will offer him the chance to ask one or two questions nearer the end of the session.

As you will be aware, cabinet secretaries—I think that I can refer to you in the plural, although I cannot see Mairi Gougeon on screen—we propose to run this session by initially putting questions to both of you on areas in which you have a joint interest. We will then have a brief suspension before we take further evidence from Màiri McAllan on matters that are specifically within her ministerial portfolio. I expect the latter session to be the longer of the two.

Before we move on to questions, I would like to offer both cabinet secretaries the chance to make a brief opening statement. Màiri McAllan, do you want to start?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Edward Mountain

I am a bit confused. When you say that they are “relatively minor” errors, are we talking about thousands, hundreds of thousands or millions?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Edward Mountain

So, we are talking about millions. I am a bit concerned to get this information at this stage, because the committee asked a question last week—I think that it was Mark Ruskell—about annex J and the details within it. It now appears that we have based part of our scrutiny on something that is factually incorrect.