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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scotland’s Railways

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Edward Mountain

Thank you. The next question is from Douglas Lumsden.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scotland’s Railways

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Edward Mountain

Thank you.

Monica, do you have a brief question?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scotland’s Railways

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Edward Mountain

You said that you might do so in the future. Is it being looked at, at the moment?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scotland’s Railways

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Edward Mountain

I am not sure who will answer my final question, but I remember that when Alex Hynes first came before this committee, we had the PPMs. They provided what I might call the excitement figure, which was used to beat Abellio up over why it was not performing to the requirement set by the Government.

Well, ScotRail ain’t meeting those targets either, and it has fewer trains on the track. My question, then, is this: has there been a marked improvement? Were PPMs unnecessary, not required or unhelpful? Is everything fine now, despite the fact that you are not reaching the targets that Abellio reached in the past?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Edward Mountain

Okay.

Noting those comments—and I thank Mark Ruskell for making them—I invite the committee to agree that it does not want to make any recommendations in relation to the instrument. Are we agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Edward Mountain

That concludes our part of the public meeting. We now go into private session.

12:31 Meeting continued in private until 12:46.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Edward Mountain

Our next item of business is consideration of a draft statutory instrument. I am pleased to welcome Fiona Hyslop, the Cabinet Secretary for Transport. Cabinet secretary, this is the first time that you have appeared in front of the committee in your new role—congratulations on your appointment.

The cabinet secretary is joined by George Beale-Pratt, smart policy manager, Transport Scotland; and Natalie Milligan, solicitor, Scottish Government. Thank you for joining us.

The instrument is laid under the affirmative procedure, which means that it cannot come into force unless the Parliament approves it. Following the evidence session, the committee will be invited at the next agenda item to consider a motion for the committee to recommend that the instrument be approved. As always, I remind everyone that the officials can speak under this item but not in the debate that follows.

Cabinet secretary, I think that you would like to make a brief opening statement, so the floor is yours.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Edward Mountain

Can they be reappointed after four years?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Edward Mountain

I have one further question, if no one has any others. Oh, I see that Monica Lennon wants to ask a question. I will go to her first and then come back to mine.

I think that Monica is waiting to go live.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Edward Mountain

Now, I will really look round the room to make sure that no one else wants to speak before I make another attempt to get my question in. Right—there is no one else, so I am going.

Kevin Stewart wrote to the committee on 15 May last year to confirm the pay rates for the people on the board. I think that they were £194 per day for board members and £238 a day for the chairperson. Are those the current rates? Have they been reviewed? You might not know the answer, cabinet secretary, and I am happy to take a letter if—oh, I see that George knows the answer.