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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 18 February 2025
Edward Mountain
How much?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 18 February 2025
Edward Mountain
Before we leave this area, I have a couple of quick questions. Imagine a 3,000-hectare holding with four communities around it, which is quite possible. You want the plan to involve engagement with local communities. What do you envisage that the person drawing up the plan will do? How will he or she engage with the local community?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 18 February 2025
Edward Mountain
What are the principles that you sign up to?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 18 February 2025
Edward Mountain
Our second item of business is our final evidence-taking session on the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill. I am pleased to welcome Mairi Gougeon, the Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs, Land Reform and Islands, and her supporting officials from the Scottish Government: Andy—Andrew, I mean; sorry—Proudfoot, bill team leader, and Keith White, solicitor. Thank you for attending. I also welcome Rhoda Grant to the meeting.
Before we go into the main part of the meeting, I will, as I have done at every meeting on the bill, declare an interest in a family farming partnership in Moray, as set out in my entry in the register of members’ interests. Specifically, I declare an interest as the owner of approximately 500 acres of farmland, of which approximately 50 acres is woodland; I also declare that I am a tenant of approximately 500 acres in Moray under a non-agricultural tenancy, and that I have another farming tenancy under the Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Act 1991. I also declare that I sometimes take on annual grass lets.
Before we move to questions, the cabinet secretary will make a brief opening statement.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 18 February 2025
Edward Mountain
The process has been long and we have heard a lot of evidence from a wide variety of people. Your wish is for the bill to achieve four things: to improve the transparency around land ownership and management; to strengthen communities’ rights; to improve the sustainable development of communities by increasing opportunities; and to ensure the sufficient and adequate supply of land—I think that that encapsulates your views. Bearing that in mind, the majority of people who have come to the committee to give evidence say that the bill will achieve no such thing. What is your response to them?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 18 February 2025
Edward Mountain
It would, especially as carbon credits are usually based on a long period of 50 to 100 years. The applicant would be entering a lease of up to 100 years, which would then, in your word, hamstring someone for the next 100 years. The lease would set out what can and cannot be done. In my mind, that makes it a bit of a questionable activity, and I do not understand it. It would have been helpful for me to have seen a lease in the bill so that I could understand it. Once you start fiddling around with legislation after it has been passed, you distort the land rental market, do you not?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 18 February 2025
Edward Mountain
I am not convinced, but I hear your arguments. The next question is from Kevin Stewart.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 18 February 2025
Edward Mountain
I have a couple of further questions. Rent reviews are very difficult; sometimes it is just a case of sitting down to agree them. You have proposed a change in the wording, and I know that the committee is going to write to you, cabinet secretary, about section 13 of the Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Act 1991, which, I am sure, you will be delighted about. The bill uses the phrase “similar holdings”, rather than the current “comparable holdings”. Why have you proposed that change, and what is the difference?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 18 February 2025
Edward Mountain
That is quite tortuous at the moment, is it not? My experience makes me ask whether the bill provides a chance to level the playing field for both parties.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 18 February 2025
Edward Mountain
I have never seen that working to any extent, but there you go.
Douglas Lumsden has a question.