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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Natural Capital Finance

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Edward Mountain

Yes, but it owns land such as Cairn Gorm mountain and the surrounding areas, which does not necessarily have trees.

On that, if PIUs are being traded in the future, what is a PIU worth? Is it 50p? Is it 21 quid?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Natural Capital Finance

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Edward Mountain

I am just trying to get a handle on it. Is it one, two or three PIUs? Is it somewhere between one and 10, or is it somewhere between 10 and 100? I do not know.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Natural Capital Finance

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Edward Mountain

Thank goodness for that. Dr Beingessner is a social researcher in transformative land management at the James Hutton Institute. I also welcome Dr Lydia Cole, lecturer, University of St Andrews; Dr Josh Doble, policy manager, Community Land Scotland; and Jo Pike, deputy chair, Scottish Forum on Natural Capital and chief executive, Scottish Wildlife Trust. Thank you all for joining us.

We have quite a lot of questions and, as I have said previously, I would encourage everyone to give succinct answers. The first question will be from Jackie Dunbar.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Natural Capital Finance

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Edward Mountain

I will.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Natural Capital Finance

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Edward Mountain

Because I mismanaged the time so badly, I will not get to ask my questions. They would have been about the size of the problem and the large scale of the projects that are needed to try to achieve what we want to achieve and how we can actually achieve it. I still have not been convinced that I understand how we can mitigate the risks to people who derive a living from the land from trading carbon credits. That remains a huge concern to me. However, I will leave it there. I suspect that we will come back to the subject when we consider land reform at some stage.

I thank all of you for the evidence that you have given this morning. I am sorry that time was tight. I will push straight on. Please extricate yourself quietly from the meeting so that I can move on to the next agenda item.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Edward Mountain

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the 12th meeting in 2024 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee.

The first item on the agenda is a decision on whether to take items 4, 5, 6 and 7 in private. Item 4 is consideration of the evidence that we will hear today on natural capital finance in Scotland; item 5 is consideration of a draft report on the United Kingdom Automated Vehicles Bill; item 6 is consideration of correspondence relating to the proposed national outcomes; and item 7 is consideration of a draft call for views on the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill. Do we agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Natural Capital Finance

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Edward Mountain

Olly, do you want to come in briefly, or is that sufficient?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Natural Capital Finance

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Edward Mountain

Perhaps we should give Joel Paterson a chance to consider that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Natural Capital Finance

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Edward Mountain

When you answer that, could you give us a bit of a steer on crofting? That is one of the issues that I do not understand. The common grazings might belong to a group of people, some of whom might no longer have anything to do with crofting. They might simply have a share in it. To whom do the carbon rights belong in that situation? Do they belong to the landowner or the common grazings committee? Perhaps you could widen out the question and give an answer on all of those aspects.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Natural Capital Finance

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Edward Mountain

Andy Wightman is wrong when he says that you are the third-biggest landowner in Scotland.