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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 20 May 2025
Edward Mountain
I do not know why I got that wrong—Statera Energy Ltd. I also welcome: Bill Ireland, the chief executive officer for Logan Energy Ltd; Mark Bradley, the hydrogen director in Scottish Power; David Amos, the managing director of PlusZero; and Tim Dumenil, the head of business development for Storegga, who is attending remotely.
At the outset, I refer members to my register of interests, which declares that I am a proprietor of salmon fishings on the River Spey and am a member of the Spey Fishery Board. The board, which is a statutory body, has recently considered a planning application for a hydrogen plant at Marypark, which was submitted by Storegga. As the plant would take water out of the River Spey, the board had to consider the options and its responsibilities regarding protecting the fisheries management of the catchment, and, on that basis, has objected to the application on the ground that it would take water out of the river, which the board feels is inappropriate. I hope that that is a full declaration.
I am going to go straight to questions. The first question is always an easy one—I like to think so, anyway—as it involves asking witnesses for their views on how things are working at the moment. You will each get a chance to answer it, starting with Bill Ireland—I am giving you plenty of warning that I am coming to you.
Project willow does not advocate the use of green or blue hydrogen, and the UK and Scottish Governments have said that it needs a twin-track approach. Do you think that that approach is correct or do you think that more attention should be paid to green or blue hydrogen?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 20 May 2025
Edward Mountain
On that basis, we have come to the end of the discussion. We are slightly over time, for which I apologise. Thank you all for coming today and for the two submissions that we had. I also thank Hannah Chalmers and Mercedes Marto-Valer for volunteering to answer the questions when they came up and for doing so with such clarity.
12:20 Meeting continued in private until 12:39.Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 20 May 2025
Edward Mountain
Douglas Lumsden has the final question, unless the deputy convener wants to come in.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 20 May 2025
Edward Mountain
Mark Ruskell wants to ask some questions.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 20 May 2025
Edward Mountain
Mark, did you have a follow-up on this?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 20 May 2025
Edward Mountain
Sarah, over to you for your questions.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 20 May 2025
Edward Mountain
I am sorry, but just before we go on, I think that Tim Dumenil wants to come in. Tim, you missed my pep talk at the start of the meeting—I said that, as there were five people on the panel, it would not always be possible to get everyone in on every single question.
I am conscious that we are nearly an hour into this session, and we are not even halfway through the questions. I will let you in, Tim, but I must ask all of you to be careful with the time. I do not want anyone to go away from here at the end of the day, feeling that they have not had a chance to say their bit, because I would have failed in my job. I will come to you, Tim, and then go back to Sarah Boyack.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 20 May 2025
Edward Mountain
Good morning, and welcome to the 18th meeting of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee in 2025. Apologies have been received from Monica Lennon and Kevin Stewart. I welcome Sarah Boyack, who is attending as Monica Lennon’s substitute.
The first item on the agenda is a decision on taking items 3 and 4 in private. Item 3 is consideration of the evidence that we will hear on the hydrogen aspects of the project willow study and item 4 is consideration of the committee’s annual report. Do we agree to take those items in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 20 May 2025
Edward Mountain
The second item on the agenda is the second of two days of evidence taking this month on the plans for the future of Grangemouth. As we know, refining has ceased, and the United Kingdom and Scottish Governments are looking for new uses for the site as a green energy hub. We are today considering the project willow study that was published in March, and, in particular, four of its nine proposed projects that relate to the production or the use of hydrogen.
The first panel today gives us an opportunity to touch more widely on the prospects of a thriving competitive green hydrogen sector in Scotland, which lies behind any aspirations for Grangemouth to be a low-carbon energy hub in the future. I am delighted to welcome Lewis Elder, the commercial operations policy director of—how do I pronounce that? Go on, Lewis, tell me.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 20 May 2025
Edward Mountain
Nic, thank you for not pointing out my bad manners for not thanking you for your written submission, as well. I formally thank you for providing a paper.
Sorry, Mark—do you want to come in at this stage, or are you happy for me to go on with my question?