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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Committee’s Review of Scottish Emissions Targets and Progress Report 2023

Meeting date: 23 April 2024

Edward Mountain

I call Douglas Lumsden.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Committee’s Review of Scottish Emissions Targets and Progress Report 2023

Meeting date: 23 April 2024

Edward Mountain

I am going to ask the last question, if I may, but I am not sure how I am going to phrase it, having just been told that I am nuts—or, indeed, all politicians are.

This is what I am trying to see from the committee’s point of view: we are going to get new legislation to amend the 2019 act, and you are suggesting that it will be based on carbon budgets rather than climate change plan targets. In other words, one approach will be scrapped, to be replaced by the other. However, when the people’s panel reported back to us just last week, I think, they said that we are not hearing enough information or detail from the Government. Should we as a committee expect the amendment legislation to set out the first carbon budget figures? After all, if we have to scrutinise legislation, knowing that there will be changes and that something is going to be brought forward in future, that is going to be a really hard sell to all of those people who have written to us—and, let me tell you, there are lots and lots and lots of them, Chris.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Committee’s Review of Scottish Emissions Targets and Progress Report 2023

Meeting date: 23 April 2024

Edward Mountain

I just think that it is going to be quite difficult for us to take evidence on a bill that makes changes to a system that at least had some certainty—even if you considered it unachievable—with the promise of jam in the future, if we do not know what those figures are. You have already told us today that carbon budgets will have a fairly soft landing in the first couple of years. That might well be a real concern, and I guess that it will be interesting to see how the Parliament deals with it.

I cannot comment on that, and I am sad to say that Chris Stark will not be able to do so here, either, as this is his last week. Chris, I think that you said that you finish on Friday and start a new job on Monday. I do not know whether that is a case of no peace for the wicked or whether you are just keeping your options open as far as work is concerned, but we wish you the best of luck. You have always been a candid friend to the committee, telling us things that we might not have liked to hear. I am very grateful for that, and I am grateful that we have had this extra opportunity to speak to you.

As for Keith Bell, having heard that your appointment has been extended until April next year, Keith, I am not going to say goodbye to you, as I think that there is a very good chance that we will see you in future. It might be for the year-end assessment—or maybe before that, depending on what happens.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Committee’s Review of Scottish Emissions Targets and Progress Report 2023

Meeting date: 23 April 2024

Edward Mountain

He might well follow your line, Chris, and decide that he wants out, because all politicians are nuts.

I thank the witnesses very much. We will now move into private session.

11:30 Meeting continued in private until 12:48.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 23 April 2024

Edward Mountain

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the 14th meeting in 2024 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. The first item on the agenda is a decision on whether to take items 3 and 4 in private. Item 3 is consideration of the evidence that we will hear from the Climate Change Committee today, and item 4 is consideration of our work programme, including the initial approach to our scrutiny of the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Committee’s Review of Scottish Emissions Targets and Progress Report 2023

Meeting date: 23 April 2024

Edward Mountain

I will pick up on one of your comments—that you are pretty sure that the Government knew about the situation before the delay last year. When do you think it did know?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Committee’s Review of Scottish Emissions Targets and Progress Report 2023

Meeting date: 23 April 2024

Edward Mountain

Bob Doris wants to come in on that, after which he has some other questions to ask.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Committee’s Review of Scottish Emissions Targets and Progress Report 2023

Meeting date: 23 April 2024

Edward Mountain

I apologise for cutting off Bob Doris in full flow.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Committee’s Review of Scottish Emissions Targets and Progress Report 2023

Meeting date: 23 April 2024

Edward Mountain

I am sorry—that was slightly tongue in cheek.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Committee’s Review of Scottish Emissions Targets and Progress Report 2023

Meeting date: 23 April 2024

Edward Mountain

Monica Lennon has been waiting patiently for her time.