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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 3 June 2025
Edward Mountain
I call Bob Doris to speak to amendment 22 and other amendments in the group.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 3 June 2025
Edward Mountain
I call Douglas Lumsden to speak to Rachael Hamilton’s amendment 400 and other amendments in the group.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 3 June 2025
Edward Mountain
No. We will come to your amendments in a moment. There are other members before you.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 3 June 2025
Edward Mountain
Thank you, cabinet secretary.
Although Mark Ruskell moved Ariane Burgess’s amendment 310, Ariane has now finished with her other committee business and is here. We have agreed that Mark Ruskell will sum up the debate and press or seek to withdraw amendment 310, but please do not take it as a slight that I am ignoring you, Ariane—I know that you are here.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 3 June 2025
Edward Mountain
Thank you, Douglas. As no other member wishes to say anything, I wish to talk about amendments 310, 339, 150 and 174, which relate to public interest.
I understand the need to address public interest, and I have heard what has been said about it during the course of this stage 2 debate. My concern is that a certain amount of conflict would be created by the list of things in subsection (2) of the proposed new provision that amendment 310 would introduce. When you draw up a management plan as the owner of land, you cannot keep everyone happy—that is for sure—and you cannot afford to do everything that everyone wants to do. There is no definition or clarity in any of these amendments about public interest in relation to who is going to pay the person who delivers the public interest and whether, in fact, that person should be rewarded for that.
At the moment, the system pays agricultural subsidies for achieving various aims. I put my hand up and say that I am in receipt of agricultural subsidies for delivering public good in relation to the production of food.
Proposed new subsection (2)(k), as set out in amendment 310, is about contributing to food security and food system resilience. Another paragraph in proposed subsection (2) relates to a requirement for diversity. The problem is that, sometimes, intensive grazing of land to create food security is the best way forward but it might not be in the Government’s interest. At the moment, the Government is struggling to come to terms with the advice of the Climate Change Committee on whether to reduce livestock numbers across Scotland by 30 per cent. That might destroy farms and farmers who would not be able to achieve the scale needed to carry out their business. I am concerned, and I do not think that any of the tests that have been put forward under amendments 310, 339, 150 or 174 define how public interest and its delivery will be rewarded.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 3 June 2025
Edward Mountain
There will be a division.
For
Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Ruskell, Mark (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)
Against
Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Lumsden, Douglas (North East Scotland) (Con)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 3 June 2025
Edward Mountain
Sorry, Mercedes, but can I just come in here? It is always very difficult at stage 2 to make sure that there is an open debate, but it does not need to be a conversation across the table. I am gently pointing you to ask a question, which might be followed up by another question, through me, and then you can address the issues when you get to speak. Otherwise, I fear that we could be here until Christmas, which might be a good thing, but maybe not.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 3 June 2025
Edward Mountain
I call Rhoda Grant to speak to amendment 339 and other amendments in the group.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 3 June 2025
Edward Mountain
I call Bob Doris to speak to amendment 16 and any other amendments in the group.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 3 June 2025
Edward Mountain
I thank the cabinet secretary for that. I will leave my comments there.
I invite Michael Matheson to wind up and to press or withdraw amendment 11.
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