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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I am trying to keep the questions on theme, so members will ask you questions later.

Shivali Fifield, do you want to come in next?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Do any of the witnesses think that the bill does not define ecocide sufficiently? If you do not think that it does, you can raise your hand. Otherwise, you are agreeing with what Jamie Whittle has said. You have all looked away perfectly.

The next question is from Kevin Stewart.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I apologise to those online, both witnesses and those who are watching the meeting, for the continued interruptions. I am told that it is a gremlin in the system and that there is no reason for it, so we will just have to work through it. Therefore, we get to hear again what Kevin was saying—so, we will hear you twice, Kevin.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Yes is fine; you only get a short answer. Sue, yes or no?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I will try to give you a real-life scenario. Take, for example, a river in Scotland—it does not matter where it is—where the water is abstracted to create power, which goes into the national grid, and to provide drinking water for local communities. One year—as has happened this year—the water levels get critically low, and abstracting the water means that a freshwater mussel population is destroyed, and it is determined that the act represents ecocide, because the mussels were definitely an endangered population. If the defence is that doing that was necessary to give power to the national grid and to provide local people with drinking water, who will make the decision in that regard?

Valerie, you are shaking your head. I think that local people might be annoyed if they cannot get a drink of water in the evening.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Well, at the end of the day, you will probably die if you cannot drink.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Monica Lennon has a couple of questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Do you have a second question? I am conscious of the time.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I thank the witnesses for coming to give evidence. I apologise for making you answer more questions and stay longer than you had expected, but that may have happened because you gave such detailed answers, so I am going to let you shoulder some of the blame. I know that some of you have offered to submit information to the committee after the meeting. The sooner that you can do that, the better, because there are pressures on our timescale.

I suspend the meeting until 10:40.

10:32 Meeting suspended.  

10:41 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you.

My next question is based on that. Do you think that there is a significant risk of an ecocide event, as defined in the bill, happening in Scotland? We will start the other way round, with Catherine McWilliam.