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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Edward Mountain

There will be a division.

For

Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Lumsden, Douglas (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)

Against

Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Dunbar, Jackie (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
Macpherson, Ben (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (SNP)
Ruskell, Mark (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Edward Mountain

Amendment 24, in the name of Graham Simpson, is grouped with amendments 25 to 27, 29 and 35. Graham, can you speak to and move amendment 24 and speak to any other amendments? [Interruption.] I will get this right, so I am going to start again. It is obviously way too early for me.

Please speak to and move amendment 24 and speak to the other amendments in the group.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Edward Mountain

Thank you very much, Graham. Do any other members wish to contribute? I think that Ben Macpherson wants to come in.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Edward Mountain

Before I come to the minister, I would just add that I find it interesting that, when clarity is sought on issues, the Government’s position is always to ask the member to withdraw the amendment so that further consultation can take place. Of course, there is another option: the Government could support the amendment and then seek to amend it at stage 3, which would show an absolute willingness to contribute.

I find it interesting, too, that we could end up taxing things that are biodegradable. Surely the whole point of the biodegradable item and the investment being made in it is to ensure that it does not go into landfill, which, after all, is a significant step.

The question of who will pay is an interesting one, as is the position on VAT, which I have not yet had explained to me. I am minded to seek clarity by agreeing to many of the amendments in the group, just to force the Government to come back at stage 3 to define its position instead of just saying that it might do so before stage 3.

On that note, as no other member wishes to speak, I am happy to pass to the minister. Good morning, minister.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Edward Mountain

I think it is entirely appropriate at all stages during the parliamentary process to check, as I do, what that means. I have been convener of this committee for seven years and I still sometimes have to check procedures. I do not think that that was a derogatory naming, Mr Doris.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Edward Mountain

Are you pressing or withdrawing amendment 24?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Edward Mountain

The question is, that amendment 27 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Edward Mountain

The result the division is: For 2, Against 5, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 27 disagreed to.

Amendment 29 not moved.

Amendment 28 moved—[Graham Simpson].

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Edward Mountain

The question is, that amendment 28 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Edward Mountain

The result the division is: For 2, Against 5, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 28 disagreed to.