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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 26 January 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Appointment of the Chair of Environmental Standards Scotland

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

I think that everyone questions the vast amount of money that is being spent on training people when they perhaps already have the skills that they need.

My other point is just an observation. I remember when Jim Martin initially came to the committee and we discussed ESS and the role that the committee would have in relation to it. I think that his comment was—I probably paraphrase it very badly—that “We look forward to working closely with the committee; we are not going to do everything you tell us to do, but we are very happy to have regular meetings and updates.” At that stage, the committee was happy with that, and it seemed an eminently sensible way of going about it. Will that be the way that you are going to continue?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

That is not lotting up a community purchase, which is usually based on a whole estate being purchased with a one-off price that is then agreed and compensated for. Rather, we are talking about a specialist form of dividing out the market, which invariably results in a higher price being achieved, rather than the whole lot being sold as one.

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Okay—I assume that you will not be changing it.

I think that Michael Matheson has another question. Oh, no—Douglas, you are next.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

We will now get into the technical bit, which I am really going to enjoy—[Laughter]—although I am not sure that everyone else will. Let us talk about compensation on resumption. The legislation that you propose will make changes to existing legislation. Are you happy that that will send the right message to the people who let land in the future that they can do so with confidence and without the Government’s subsequent interference?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Well, you would be. [Laughter.] Farmers get it for a good deal less, I suggest.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Of course, they might have another plan, such as a forestry plan, if that is required under the law.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Come on, cabinet secretary—with respect, you have suggested engagement. What will the guidance on plans say?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

We heard evidence from a surveyor who runs a firm that the process costs more than £300 an hour, so £20,000 looks like a very light-touch consultation. If you want it to be detailed, it will cost considerably more, will it not?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Good morning, and welcome to the sixth meeting in 2025 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee.

Our first item of business is a decision on taking business in private. Do members agree to take in private item 5, which is consideration of the evidence that we will have heard on the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill, and item 6, which is consideration of the appointment of the chair of Environmental Standards Scotland? Do members also agree to consider our stage 1 report on the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill in private at future meetings?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Of course, the proof of the pudding will be in the eating, when we see how many Government amendments are lodged at stage 2. If there is nothing radical, I suggest that they will all be taken care of in one session—but we will see. Stage 2 will tell us.

Why does the bill focus on large landholdings in rural areas rather than on some other definition—say, “significant landholdings”? We have completely ignored urban areas; we are concentrating just on the countryside, where land reform affects fewer people than it might if you were to include urban settlements.