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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

Philip, your audio is dropping in and out. We will suspend the meeting briefly and look to our information technology people to see whether we can get a more stable connection.

12:20 Meeting suspended.  

12:21 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

That is interesting. What about the issue of expenditure? It could be quite difficult to see how much money is being spent during the period of a carbon budget on the items that are needed to achieve the target. Is there something that we should be considering in relation to that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

I have a final question, as no other member has another one. There are some questions that we have not had a chance to put to you, so when the committee does the wash-up at the meeting’s end, we might find that we would like answers to more questions. If so, the clerks will write to you and list them.

I am sure that I do not need to say that time in this meeting is short, so a quick response is always helpful. My final question is very simple. Do you think that the documents that are currently produced to support the Scottish budget would be sufficient to enable this committee, or subsequent committees, to see whether enough money is being spent on achieving the carbon budget and the climate change plan that is subsequently published?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

David Hawkey—briefly.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

We have a very polite panel. If anyone else wants to comment, please indicate that to me. Please do not throw just anything at me, but if you indicate that you want to come in, I will certainly let you in.

Before I bring David Hawkey in, will you comment further on the 2045 target, Emily? You said that it is right to keep it. Is it ambitious? Is it achievable, or is it unachievable, like the 2030 target? Is it definitely something that we should aim for, but the chances that we will not hit it are quite high?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

Sorry, David.

I am going to push you on that. You said that 2045 might be achievable, but it comes with a serious health warning. You mentioned trees, but we have cut the budget for planting this year and we have not reached our targets in the past six years. Actually, I think that we met the target once, to give credit where it is due, but we have had five failures and only one success. Are you saying that there is a serious health warning about meeting the target, Emily?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

David, I will bring you in now.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

David Hawkey can come back in if he is brief.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

Three years is too late. Should it be two years?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

One year?