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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 January 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Edward Mountain

Well, yes, but I ask you to be mindful that other committee members want to come in.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Edward Mountain

Adam Berman has been waiting quietly in the wings while John Underhill held the stage, so I will briefly bring him in.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Edward Mountain

Okay. I will go to John Underhill briefly and ask him whether there are really going to be no costs and no benefits. After all, if we talk about just transition and everyone legs it elsewhere, they are, I presume, going to take their tax with them, which means that there might be a bit of a cost. Do you agree with the zero figures in that table, John?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Edward Mountain

I absolutely understand what you are saying, and I am clear on that, but I am trying to ask whether there are zero benefits for the energy strategy and there is zero cost for it, which is what it says in the plan. A plan has to be costed, and I am trying to work out whether you agree that there are zero benefits and zero costs to the Government and for the people of Scotland.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Edward Mountain

Adam Berman, do you agree?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Edward Mountain

Okay—I will take that point from all of you. I guess that, without an oil or gas strategy being laid out, you will not know all the costs anyway. Maybe it is just the cynic in me that thinks that that is why there are those zeroes in there.

We will move on. Mark Ruskell has another series of questions—I ask you to be brief with them—or have you asked them already?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Edward Mountain

Other people have dropped away, in the interests of time—which does not mean that you can use all of theirs, Mark.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Edward Mountain

Sarah Boyack, can you ask your question and carefully choose which panellist you would like to answer it. That may be a clue.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Edward Mountain

I will jump in here and say that that is a perfect segue to the deputy convener’s questions—whether or not it is, it does not matter. Michael, over to you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Edward Mountain

The next item is consideration of a draft Scottish statutory instrument. The order would give Scottish ministers the power to draw up standards of conduct for people benefiting from concessionary travel that could lead to the benefit being withdrawn from individuals. The Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee considered the order and made no comment on it in its report.

I welcome to the meeting Jim Fairlie, the Minister for Agriculture and Connectivity, and his supporting officials: Carole Stewart, bus strategy and funding unit, and Eilidh McCabe, concessionary travel policy manager, Transport Scotland; and Kelly Minio-Paluello, solicitor, Scottish Government.

As the instrument has been laid under the affirmative procedure, it cannot come into force unless the Parliament approves it. Following the evidence-taking session, the committee will be invited to consider a motion to recommend that the instrument be approved. I remind everyone that the Scottish Government officials can speak under this item, but not in the debate that follows.

The committee has received some written evidence from stakeholders on the subject, including a late submission that we received this morning from Young Scot. I thank it for that.

I invite the minister to make a short opening statement.