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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Edward Mountain

Campbell, do you want to come in on that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Edward Mountain

I am not sure that that is what the Parliament wants; what we are trying to achieve is good legislation, and that is why we are considering the bill in some depth.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Edward Mountain

I found that very interesting. The precautionary principle underpins a lot of what we do but, because of the fear that was referred to, that very principle might mean that nothing actually happens.

I see that the deputy convener wants to come in.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you. The deputy convener, Michael Matheson, has some questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Edward Mountain

Good morning and welcome to the 32nd meeting in 2025 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee.

Sarah Boyack will be joining the committee—shortly, hopefully—for items 2 and 3 on the Ecocide (Scotland) Bill, as a substitute for Monica Lennon. Under rule 9.13A of standing orders, Monica Lennon is not entitled to exercise the rights of a committee member in relation to those items because she is the member in charge of the bill. However, Monica will be present for the evidence session on the bill because, like all other members of the Scottish Parliament, she is entitled to attend our public evidence sessions and, importantly, to have the chance to ask questions. When we get to the later agenda items that do not concern the bill, Monica is entitled to rejoin and take part in those items in her capacity as a committee member. At that stage, Sarah Boyack will not take part in our business and will leave the meeting. I hope that that is all clear.

Our first item of business this morning is a decision on taking items 3, 5 and 6 in private. Item 3 is consideration of the evidence heard on the Ecocide (Scotland) Bill. Item 5 is consideration of the evidence heard on sustainable aviation fuel and item 6 is consideration of the committee’s work programme. To ensure that we carefully adhere to the standing orders, I will split this item into two questions.

First, I will ask whether we all agree to take item 3 in private. Note that Monica Lennon may not participate in the decision, because, as I said, she is the member in charge of the bill.

I will then ask whether we agree to take items 5 and 6 in private. Monica may take part in that decision. I realise that it is rather complicated, but I am afraid that that is the way it is.

Do we agree to take item 3 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Edward Mountain

Before Kevin Stewart asks a supplementary question, I will bring in Ross Haggart. Is SEPA nervous that, although it might be following procedures, it might automatically allow itself to be hit with an ecocide charge if the bill came into force? I would be. Are you?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Edward Mountain

It looks to my brain as though we are getting a bigger stick to replace a stick that we have already but which is not being used properly, because we do not have enough resource. What you are suggesting, Campbell—unless I have got it wrong—is that we resource the use of the stick that we already have before taking up a bigger stick that we will not have the resources to use either.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Edward Mountain

I do not know whether you saw it, Monica, but Clive Mitchell was holding up his hand and indicating that he wanted to come in immediately.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Edward Mountain

I turn to Monica Lennon, in case she has a couple of questions to put to the panel.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Edward Mountain

No—I was honest, and attacked in both directions.

Thank you very much, minister. We now move into private session.

12:32 Meeting continued in private until 12:52.