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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

One of my concerns—it would be one for the cabinet secretary to address—is that the carbon budgets will be set by subordinate legislation, which means that scrutiny will be quite limited. That might be of concern to other parliamentarians.

Dr Nurse, I will come back to you if I may. It was flagged up in summer 2023 that the 2030 targets were unattainable and that something needed to happen. It was flagged up that we would get something in April. Scrapping the 2030 targets is also scrapping the 2040 targets. Is that the right thing to do, or will we now be drifting? Do you think that there is a clear path of reduction?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

No. You are not getting away that easily. [Laughter.]

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

I will push you further, then I will go to Mark Ruskell, who has a supplementary question and other questions.

The bill suggests that the plans and reports cover a period of five years. One criticism in the evidence that we took over the summer was exactly the point that you made. Ought the legislation to have a tighter reporting period for carbon budgets, to see whether they are achieving their aims?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

We can go to David Hawkey but, before we do, Douglas Lumsden wants to clarify a point with Emily Nurse.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

Bob Doris will ask the next questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

“Practicable”. The term is a get-out for a politician to use. What do you think would be a reasonable timecale—a year, two years or three years?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

Okay.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

Yes. Monica asked first, so I will bring her in first.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

Good morning, and welcome to the 25th meeting in 2024 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. Our first agenda item is a decision on whether to take in private item 4, which is consideration of the evidence that we will hear today on the Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill. Are we agreed to take that item in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

I have a very simple question. Graeme Roy, you alluded to the multitude of moving parts: the carbon budgets, the climate change plan and the Scottish budget. David Ulph, you suggested that all of that is tied into the UK budget as well, because some of it will cover reserved matters. Why would we not align with the UK’s carbon budget periods? If we are doing this together and are intermixed, why are we coming up with different things? Emily Nurse, you were happy with that, which surprised me. Please explain.