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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Edward Mountain

Mike Robinson wants to come in.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Edward Mountain

Okay.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Edward Mountain

Thomas Muinzer has indicated that he wants to come in, and I will then move to the deputy convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Edward Mountain

We move to questions from the deputy convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Edward Mountain

Neil Langhorn, did you comment on the issue in your written evidence?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Edward Mountain

Catherine, did you want to come in on that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Edward Mountain

Thank you, Catherine. I think that the point about the need for better communications came out of the citizens panel that helped us with our deliberations.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Edward Mountain

We resume our consideration of the Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill. I am pleased to welcome from the Scottish Government Gillian Martin, the acting Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero and Energy; Philip Raines, deputy director of the domestic climate change division; Amy Hill, climate change legislation team leader; and Norman Munro, a Scottish Government solicitor.

I am sorry that we kept you waiting slightly, cabinet secretary. That is because evidence from the previous panel of witnesses overran. I think that you want to make some brief opening remarks.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Edward Mountain

I almost follow that. My point is that we were told in April that the bill was ready and, despite the repeated requests that I made on the committee’s behalf in May, June, July, August and early September to get sight of the bill, the bill was not introduced until 5 September, which means that we have to work on an expedited programme and will not have full scrutiny.

11:15  

I asked the question because I am a great believer that Parliament should be given time to consider matters slowly, rather than at pace and without having a chance to understand them fully. Even if you disagree with that, cabinet secretary, the Climate Change Committee will not produce the required information until early next year, which means that you will produce your carbon budgets as soon as practically possible thereafter. We could have done the process slightly more slowly, to ensure that all the parliamentary procedures and standing orders on timings between stages 1, 2 and 3 and hearing evidence could have been met. I am disappointed that we have not done so, but I will leave things there. I understand your response.

I turn to your use of subordinate legislation to set budget levels, as opposed to putting them in the bill. I understand that approach slightly, but it comes down to the fact that, unless you go for the affirmative procedure, the committee will not have time to consider the carbon budgets. The alternative approach, of going through the normal subordinate legislation process, would give us only a short time to consider them. I think that the Government’s approach is perhaps wrong. Would you consider using the affirmative procedure for setting carbon budgets, to allow the committee time to consider them fully?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Edward Mountain

I think that the committee had correspondence from the DPLR Committee that said that a super-affirmative procedure might be appropriate, so two committees have said that, which I am sure that you will reflect on.