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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I was not angling to cut you off in mid-flow, cabinet secretary, but if this is the right moment, I will intervene.

My concern is that, if you decide on lotting, it could result in somebody being made redundant because there is nowhere else in the area for them to be employed. Who will take the responsibility for that redundancy? Is it the Government, because it demanded the lotting, or the landowner, who did not want the land and was happy to sell it in a oner? It appears that you could make a decision that will cost somebody else money. I seek clarity on whether you think that you would be liable if you made the decision.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The result of the division is: For 2, Against 5, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 439 disagreed to.

Amendment 440 moved—[Tim Eagle].

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The result of the division is: For 2, Against 5, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 440 disagreed to.

Amendment 150 moved—[Michael Matheson].

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The question is, that amendment 151 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you for that, but I am keen for an answer of “moved” or “not moved”. I understand the reasons—they are already on the record and repeating them will only lengthen the time that we spend on dealing with the amendments.

Amendment 360 not moved.

Amendment 445 moved—[Tim Eagle].

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

There will be a division.

For

Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Lumsden, Douglas (North East Scotland) (Con)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)

Against

Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Ruskell, Mark (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

It sounds very laudable, but I have not seen anything in the financial memorandum that will cover the costs. Where will the funds for managing land for nature come from? Does Mark Ruskell expect the cabinet secretary to magic up some money in the financial memorandum to allow it to be funded, or is it just an uncosted aspiration?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I call Bob Doris to wind up and to press or withdraw amendment 182.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I welcome Ross Greer to the committee, as I think that this is the first time that he has spoken in the committee on this subject. I call Ross to speak to amendment 466 and any other amendments in the group.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I hear your point. Maybe we should put politicians’ offices into that group, too, so that they also pay rates. Maybe people would find that acceptable.

From my experience, I know that shooting estates do employ people—in fact, one has only to look at an estate such as Kinrara, which was taken over for nature conservation. It used to employ five full-time employees and a shepherd, but I think that at the moment it employs no one.

I do not think that I accept your argument, Mr Greer. I am interested to hear what the cabinet secretary says, but I am always mindful of the difficulty of bringing amendments to a committee that has spent a lot of time considering an issue when the matters in question have not been considered as part of the stage 1 evidence taking.

I will now hand over to the cabinet secretary.

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