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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 18 June 2025
Edward Mountain
I thank the cabinet secretary, and I come back to Mercedes Villalba to press or withdraw amendment 381.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 18 June 2025
Edward Mountain
Cabinet secretary, do you have a long wind-up comment on this group?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 18 June 2025
Edward Mountain
My briefing says, “Good morning”, but we all know that it is the evening, so good evening, and welcome to the 23rd meeting in 2025 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee.
Our first and only item of business is stage 2 consideration of the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill. I welcome non-committee members, of whom there are quite a few present. This is the committee’s fourth stage 2 meeting, and the deadline for completing stage 2 is 27 June. A formal target has been set for this week’s meetings—the committee will not go beyond chapter 2 of part 2 of the bill tonight, which means that the last group of amendments that can be debated is the group that relates to the tenant farming commissioner. I make it abundantly clear at this stage that, as far as I am concerned, there will be a hard stop at 8.30 this evening, so, if I am not able to finish a group by 8.30, I will stop at that stage. If members are to contribute fully, I think that it is unreasonable to go beyond that time.
I will not go through all the procedure again. Members have been to the previous meetings and understand the procedure. The one member who has not been to the previous meetings—Mr Ewing—has attended enough stage 2 sessions to know what is going on.
However, as I always do at the start of the meeting, I remind members about my declaration in the register of members’ interests. I declare an interesting—it is interesting, but I mean that I declare an interest. As is set out, I have an interest in a farming partnership in Moray. Specifically, I am the owner of approximately 500 acres—or 202.3 hectares, for those of you who want the conversion—of farmland in Moray, of which about 50 acres—or 20-odd hectares—is woodland. I also declare that I am a tenant of approximately 500 acres—or 202.3 hectares—of farmland under a non-agricultural tenancy, that I have another farming tenancy for approximately 20 acres, under the Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Act 1991, and that I sometimes take on grass lets annually.
Before I turn to the marshalled list of amendments, do any other members want to declare an interest? Mr Eagle, I am looking at you, so that you do not get caught out when you speak for the first time.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 18 June 2025
Edward Mountain
Hold on. I took interventions from members before I called the cabinet secretary, so, again, maybe your opportunity will come if Rachael Hamilton opens the door to let you in, Mr Ruskell.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 18 June 2025
Edward Mountain
I could get myself confused here, because the cabinet secretary had finished, and I let Rachael Hamilton ask another question. Rachael, you will, of course, get an opportunity to wind up and press or withdraw your amendment and, at that point, if you ask the right questions, you could maybe tempt the cabinet secretary to come back in.
I ask you to wind up and indicate whether you wish to press or withdraw amendment 478.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 18 June 2025
Edward Mountain
The result of the division is: For 3, Against 4, Abstentions 0.
Amendment 478 disagreed to.
Amendments 479 and 480 not moved.
Amendment 481 moved—[Mark Ruskell].
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 18 June 2025
Edward Mountain
The question is, that amendment 481 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Members: No.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 18 June 2025
Edward Mountain
I call Ariane Burgess to speak to amendment 380 and other amendments in the group.
Ariane, it is nice to see you here, instead of chairing a committee meeting that conflicts with this one. Over to you.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 18 June 2025
Edward Mountain
Thank you, Ariane. Does any other member wish to speak?
As no one wishes to speak, I will just say that I was slightly thrown in some respects by the amendments on a model lease. It would have been far more helpful to have a model lease included in the bill as introduced, so that one could see whether or not it was going to work, rather than considering a suggestion that it should come later.
I am also slightly confused by Ariane Burgess’s suggestion of a model lease for hutters—or for hutting, as it were, rather than hutters. I do not understand whether that lease would be completely separate. Would it be a lease under other legislation, rather than the bill? Would it absolve people who take on a hutting lease from anything to do with an agricultural tenancy or an agricultural holding, or any of the leases in other legislation?
I do not have a huge number of civil servants behind me, but the cabinet secretary does, and I come to her now to explain the amendments.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 18 June 2025
Edward Mountain
Would you give way on that point?