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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 January 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The second item of business is consideration of a Scottish statutory instrument. It is laid under the negative procedure, which means that it will come into force unless the Parliament agrees a motion to annul it. No such motion has been lodged.

The Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee has made no comment on the instrument. Do members have any comments?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

You have been quite careful about making the bill proportionate so that you avoid legal challenge, which is what the evidence that we have heard has called for. Are you suggesting that Mercedes Villalba’s suggestion of 500 hectares would lead to a legal challenge because it would interfere with people’s human rights?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I call Ariane Burgess, who will finally get to speak to one of her amendments, amendment 311, and any other amendments in the group.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I call Rhoda Grant to speak to amendment 312 and other amendments in the group.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

As no other member wishes to speak, I will say a few words and maybe ask a few questions.

Amendment 23, in the name of Tim Eagle, states that new management plans do not have to be produced until a year after purchase. I wonder whether the cabinet secretary will support that, given that Glen Prosen was purchased in 2022, and there is still no management plan for it. I understand the need for that requirement, but I am not sure the Government has a great record in that regard.

On the duration of management plans, I agree with Tim Eagle that 20 years is probably more reasonable, because land management, especially basic land management, takes a long time. I think that the timescales for forest management plans are even longer than that, so 20 years seems entirely reasonable.

We heard about the cost of production in our evidence sessions; estimates varied, but I think that we settled on a figure in the region of £15,000 to £20,000 for small land management plans. If you have to redo the plan every 10 years, that is a huge burden on relatively small holdings of land, and I have concerns about that.

I listened to Bob Doris talk about plans being accessible, and I have some sympathy with having accessible plans and there being a single place to find them. However, I can see that growing arms and legs. One has only to look at “Who Owns Scotland” to see that the best way of defining land is through a map-based system, but the costs would be huge if there were maps for every area.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I will give way in a minute—I will just finish my train of thought.

The cabinet secretary’s view is that she does not want land management plans to become formulaic, and nor does anyone on the committee. However, I am very concerned that, if an online format is used, the plans will become formulaic in order to fit the website that they go on.

Mr Doris, did you want to come in?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I hear what you are saying, Ariane. However, my concern is that a purchaser adopting the plan of a previous owner might not be a rationale for success. For example, an estate just south of Aviemore was planted with trees, but they have all died, because they were not planted in a suitable location. If that were to be in the management plan, you would be tying the next owner to planting more trees there, just so that they could die. I do not think that those things necessarily tie in.

It would also adversely affect people who wished to buy. For example, we visited what had been a sporting estate south of Perthshire—I cannot remember its name—where the new owners had stopped all the sporting and were planting trees, creating a wind farm and fencing out all the deer, with the aim of meeting the target. Again, had they been tied into sticking to the previous land management plan, none of that would have been possible.

Mr Doris, did you want to come in?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

There is an ability under compulsory purchase provisions for the Government to compulsorily purchase areas of land where there is a significant community interest. Has the member had discussions with the Government to find out whether it feels that those provisions are sufficient and, therefore, whether these amendments are needed? To my knowledge, it appears that the Government and councils have never used that provision in the past.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I invite the cabinet secretary to speak to amendment 34 and other amendments in the group.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you. I think that my view is quite clear: what people do with the land is more important than who actually owns it. In the past, I have worked for people who brought a huge amount of money into Scotland, invested in Scotland and used local firms to do all the work. To me, that is good. It also delivered on the things that Governments require, such as public access and deer management plans. I am completely without an opinion as to who owns the land; what matters to me is the way that it is managed and run and whether it delivers what the Government is trying to achieve.