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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2025
Edward Mountain
Sorry, cabinet secretary, but is that letter published, or is it a private letter?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2025
Edward Mountain
I agree that there is no point in pointing out problems and not bringing solutions. It is always a question of whether the solutions are workable, and that will be for others to decide. Are the problems in the letter the only ones that you see? Is everything else tickety-boo and online, as far as reserved matters are concerned? Is there nothing else to worry about with regard to Scotland reaching net zero by 2045? Is that what you are saying?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2025
Edward Mountain
That is twice. We do not need to do it a third time.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2025
Edward Mountain
Okay. We will have a short question from the deputy convener.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2025
Edward Mountain
I will say a little bit and I will then bring in the cabinet secretary. The evidence that we have heard has been particularly interesting. At the moment, I do not know in my mind—and as a parliamentarian, as the deputy convener said—whether we need to weaken or strengthen the commitments that the cabinet secretary will be making, because we have not seen the climate change plan that will be produced.
There is an issue in my mind about developing our understanding of what is achievable, which is not only about the commitment of individuals or of Government but is about the cost of that and how we will achieve it. I take the point on the importance of electrification, but during the process of hearing about it, especially today, I have found it very difficult to stomach simply saying that the cost of doing nothing is too high. To my mind, that is lazy and slightly rude to the individuals who are trying to question it.
With the way that the vote will go today, carbon budgets will probably go through. I may be proved wrong—[Interruption.] I will finish on this point. They will probably go through, but I want to register my dissatisfaction with the whole process of how that has come about. The committee should have been discussing the matter much earlier. I have always made it clear—people who have spoken to me will support me on this—that I do not like and have never liked the fact that we are doing this in the last months of the parliamentary session. It is far too important a matter for us to get it wrong. When it comes to the vote, I will abstain, not because I want to frustrate the budgets, but because I want to register my dissatisfaction at how the process has gone.
Cabinet secretary, I give you the opportunity to sum up if you wish.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2025
Edward Mountain
My problem is that I do not see the budgets being done and the facts and figures being laid out. We have no centralised energy plan across Scotland. There is no strength, weaknesses, opportunities and threats analysis carried out for each and every wind farm. They just appear to go up with no budget.
I think that I see you nodding, Fabrice. I will take it as a nod and move on to Mark Ruskell, although I am happy if you want to come back in on that.
Okay, Mark—over to you.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2025
Edward Mountain
I am just looking to Professor Hegerl and Professor Renaud to see whether they want to come in. I am hearing about the benefits, and I probably agree with them, but I am not hearing what the costs are, and that is what we have to get people to sign up to.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2025
Edward Mountain
I am struggling to understand how to get people to sign up. We cannot just say that it will cost us X if we do not do it when we do not have any idea how much it will cost if we do it.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2025
Edward Mountain
Possibly not if they do not achieve energy performance certificate band C.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 9 September 2025
Edward Mountain
I suppose that I should have said the final, final, final, final, final question when Mark Ruskell got to the end of his questions.
Thank you for contributing succinctly on all the issues that were raised. It is a complex and difficult subject, and we are very grateful for the time that you gave up to attend this morning.
I will suspend the meeting until 10:20, to allow the cabinet secretary to arrive.
10:11 Meeting suspended.