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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Great British Energy Bill

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Edward Mountain

Item 3 is an evidence session on the Great British Energy Bill. The Scottish Government has provided a legislative consent memorandum on the bill, which is a UK Government bill at Westminster. The memorandum, which was lodged on 8 August 2024, set out a holding position on whether the Scottish Government supported provisions in the UK bill that are in areas of devolved competence. The memorandum did not go into much detail at that stage, which was fairly understandable because the bill was in its early stages. The Scottish Government has not provided the substantive update that the committee and the Parliament need to properly engage with the questions of consent in relation to the bill.

Meanwhile, the bill has been proceeding through the UK Parliament. Time for the committee to report was beginning to run short, so, with that in mind, I invited the Scottish Government to give evidence today, despite the fact that we do not have the supplementary memorandum. However, I am very grateful to the acting cabinet secretary for providing an update on the Government’s position on the bill by letter after the invitation was sent.

I would like to put on record that I am sorry that we kept you waiting slightly, cabinet secretary, but the last evidence session ran on. I welcome Gillian Martin, the Acting Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero and Energy and, from the Scottish Government, Emma Shepherd, the unit head of public and community energy; Norman Macleod, senior principal legal officer; and Natalie Hakeem, the energy engagement team leader. Cabinet secretary, I think that you want to make a short opening statement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Edward Mountain

So the ship was heavier than it was supposed to be?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Edward Mountain

It sort of makes sense, but it does not make sense, because you reduced the passenger numbers, did you not, as a requirement of—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Edward Mountain

Okay. Just looking at it from the outside, I am a little confused that we have ended up with a ferry that was not as originally specified but has just been accepted in. Whose agreement was it just to accept what was delivered? Was that yours, or was it the Scottish Government’s?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Edward Mountain

Hold on, now you are adding another dimension. Just tell me this: the ship sits deeper in the water—is that right?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Edward Mountain

I will go back to the original question. From what you said, Jim, the ferry did not meet the original specifications that were laid out when it was supposed to be built.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Edward Mountain

Which is quite a critical thing, I would suggest. Who made the decision to accept that ferry with that built into it? Was it CMAL, Transport Scotland or the Scottish Government?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Edward Mountain

So, maybe, maybe not. I am not sure that I am any clearer on that, so I might have to come back to you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Edward Mountain

Jim Anderson, to save you looking it all up, I think that I have the figures to hand. The vessel was meant to have a dead weight of 878 tonnes, with a tolerance of 10 tonnes. There were penalties of £5,000 per tonne for falling below that weight, up to a maximum of £250,000, which would have meant that it was 50 tonnes below the weight, down to 818 tonnes. At that point, the boat should have been cancelled, according to the original contract, because it did not meet the specification.

What I was trying to drive at is that the boat can carry less than was originally agreed—less than the contract was set up for—which means that it is not doing what it was expected to achieve. That, therefore, raises the question of whether you have value for money, in my mind—especially now, as you can have fewer passengers and fewer vehicles. It appears to me that we have ended up with a boat that does not meet the original contract, however it has panned out. We have not got what we paid for, and we paid considerably more than we thought we were going to have to pay. To me, the whole thing seems to be a complete confusion. I am going to leave it there, because I think that I have made my point.

Kevin Hobbs, I think that you specifically asked for the anchor chain to be retested during the trials—unless I have got that wrong. [Interruption.] I am being told that it was Jim Anderson who asked for it, so my knowledge of that was wrong.

Jim, you asked for the anchor chain to be retested, and there was going to be a quick fix, which would allow it to be workable by February this year, which is after it goes into service. We were told that anchor chains are not that vital but that they are part of a safety feature. Has it been fixed or will it be fixed before the vessel starts carrying passengers?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Edward Mountain

Okay. I think that the latest that we have heard is that, subject to the toilets being fixed, the vessel will come into use on 13 January. It will then have to come out of service again to get the anchor fixed. How long does that take?