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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
Catherine?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
I was going to say that you had all done so well, but Jonnie Hall blew it by more than a sentence or two. Do you think that we should make ecocide a criminal offence? I will start in the middle and work my way outwards, which means that Elspeth Macdonald should speak first.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
I will move to the next question. At the start, I should have clarified my interests, although I know that committee members get bored of it. I suspect that, as Jonnie Hall will speak a bit about agriculture, I should remind committee members that I am a member of a family farming partnership in Moray, but I am not a member of the NFUS. That is my declaration out of the way, so I hand over to Sarah Boyack.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
I see nods.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
Michael Matheson has a brief question.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
Mark, you were waiting to come in on various issues, and we have finally come to you.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
Shivali Fifield had her hand up.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
Just before we move on, I think that the deputy convener wants to come in on that particular point.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
That is an interesting situation, because I do not think that doing something that you know is wrong is a defence for doing that act. History has proven that saying that you are following orders is not a good enough excuse for doing something wrong. I was not quite sure that I had followed the previous issue.
The deputy convener mentioned an unlimited fine and 20 years in the nick. An unlimited fine might mean nothing if you get a huge bonus, whereas a fine of £500 for somebody who has very little income, perhaps a crofter, might be massive and might be a death knell to their business, so I do not quite understand how that range works. One of the suggestions was to link fines to the turnover of the organisation. How do you feel about that? Scottish Water has a massive turnover and a massive amount of money, and it could pay a massive fine. A crofter on the west coast has very little turnover and should get only a very little fine. What do you think? Professor Parsons, do you want to refute that comment?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
That is an interesting idea—because it is a public sector organisation, it does not get a fine. I am sure that that is not quite how you would put it, but that is my interpretation.
Jonnie, what are your views on that?