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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 25 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

The next item of business is the consideration of a type 1 consent notification relating to a proposed statutory instrument, the Persistent Organic Pollutants (Amendment) (No 2) Regulations 2025.

On 22 January, the Scottish Government notified us of this proposed UK statutory instrument. It would involve the UK Government legislating in devolved competence and it is seeking the Scottish Government’s consent to do so.

The Scottish Government proposes to give its consent and our role is to decide whether we agree to its doing that. That involves determining whether we agree to the UK Government legislating in this particular devolved area and whether we are content with the manner in which the UK Government proposes to legislate. If we are content for consent to be given, we will write to the Scottish Government saying so. In doing so, we have the option to draw the Scottish Government’s attention to matters or to pose questions. There were some suggestions in the clerks’ papers for things that we could consider.

Do any members have views on the statutory instrument?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Things are seldom ideal. I understand your concerns and we can certainly include them in our letter to the Scottish Government. Are you content to agree to the instrument, having drawn the Government’s attention to that point? What is your position?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

The deputy convener has some follow-up questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

It is part of the valuation. Let me give you a perfect example. Andrew lives on the edge of the village, providing employment for a couple of people and running a sanctuary for animals; another person called Mairi, who lives at the other end of the village, does some small-scale farming; and then there is Keith, the big landowner round about, who wants to increase the size of his farm. Keith knows that he will have to pay more than Mairi to get the whole lot as one, and Mairi knows that she will have to pay a proportion on top of the open market value if she wants to get it, as will Andrew. How do you balance that? How do you assess that, given that it will be you, as cabinet secretary, who will have to agree what the open market value is? I just see the whole thing ending up in the courts every single time the Government makes a lotting decision. It is such a difficult thing to do, and I say that as somebody with 12 years’ practice of trying to do it.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

As you are answering these questions, Andy, do you predict that ministers will end up paying more for the land if the purchase was achieved by lotting than would be achieved otherwise?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

I am saying that those investors who are helping the Government and Scotland to achieve our net zero aims are frightened that lotting will depress their ability to deliver at scale—indeed, they all said that. What are your views on that? Are they right, or are they wrong?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Well, cabinet secretary, it is your call, not his—do you want to bring him in?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

How much?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Before we leave this area, I have a couple of quick questions. Imagine a 3,000-hectare holding with four communities around it, which is quite possible. You want the plan to involve engagement with local communities. What do you envisage that the person drawing up the plan will do? How will he or she engage with the local community?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Edward Mountain

What are the principles that you sign up to?