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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Agenda item 2 is consideration of a statutory instrument—the draft National Bus Travel Concession Schemes (Miscellaneous Amendment) (Scotland) Order 2025. The Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee made no comment on the order in its report.

I welcome Jim Fairlie, the Minister for Agriculture and Connectivity, and the Scottish Government officials who are joining us for this item. We have Carole Stewart, head of bus strategy and funding policy; Gary McIntyre, economist for bus, active travel and low-carbon economics; and Bettina Sizeland, director of bus, accessibility and active travel, all from Transport Scotland.

The instrument has been laid under the affirmative procedure, which means that it cannot come into force unless the Parliament approves it. Following the evidence session, the committee will be invited to consider a motion to recommend that the instrument be approved. I remind everyone that the Scottish Government officials may speak under this item, but not under the debate that will follow.

Minister, I think that you are going to make a short opening statement. I say “short” every time in the hope that, one day, it will be. Minister, over to you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Edward Mountain

David is itching to come in.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Edward Mountain

In the region that I come from, we see a concessionary scheme that is giving £400 million or so to encourage people to use buses, but neither young people nor older people can use it on ferries. Is this not the moment to extend concessionary travel to those people who use the islands’ buses, which are ferries? Do you not think that there is some inequality there?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Edward Mountain

You know every licence that SEPA has ever issued.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Edward Mountain

We come to a question from Douglas Lumsden, although it will need to be a brief one.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Edward Mountain

That delved into my question. Since 2016, there has been a 67 per cent increase in the amount of money that is paid in concessionary fares but only a 13.5 per cent increase in the number of concessionary trips. That is a huge increase in money with very little movement at the other end, is it not, minister?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Minister, I accept that there has been a long-term decline, but you are throwing more and more money at it and getting a smaller increase in the number of concessionary trips. Throwing money at it does not seem to be the answer.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Edward Mountain

I am looking at you, and Sarah Boyack is also staring at me. I will allow her to briefly ask the question that I think that she wanted to ask at the beginning of the session.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Edward Mountain

What about those in existence before SEPA took control?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Edward Mountain

Okay. Good luck with finding all those. That is an interesting comment.