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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Edward Mountain
Good morning and welcome to the 31st meeting in 2025 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. I welcome Sarah Boyack as a substitute for Monica Lennon, who is unable to attend this morning.
Our first item of business is a decision on taking items 6 and 7 in private. Item 6 is consideration of the evidence that we will have heard on the Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill legislative consent memorandum, and item 7 is consideration of the committee’s work programme. Do members agree to take items 6 and 7 in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Edward Mountain
“Zero” is a snappier title. We also have Ralph Lavery, net zero applications engineer, CATAGEN. Thank you all for attending this briefing session. I will move straight to our questions, and I will start.
In the LCM, the Scottish Government says that it supports the bill because it could help to create and sustain a SAF sector. I put on record that “SAF” is sustainable aviation fuel. I will not repeat that. I do not like three-letter acronyms, but that is where we are.
In your view, are the UK and Scotland well positioned as potential leaders in the prospective SAF industry? It is important to have a SAF industry that is distributed around the UK, is it not? That was a rhetorical question.
Who would like to go first? By the way, if you all look away when I ask who would like to go first, I will just go to the person who looks away last. In this case, that was you, Doug McKiernan, so I will come to you first then go to Simon McNamara then Ralph Lavery.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Edward Mountain
Thank you. Simon McNamara, is SAF important to Loganair? Do you see it having a future?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Edward Mountain
I think that we all accept—I believe this anyway—that demand will probably determine where production is. We will want production to be close to where demand is.
I have a question for Simon McNamara, although anyone can come in on it. We have heard that power to liquids is the long-term prospect and objective. When do you think that it will make a meaningful contribution to UK air travel? I know that you will say that the work has already started—I am expecting you to say that—but when will others follow Loganair’s lead, if that is the right expression?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Edward Mountain
I think that that was a hearing issue.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Edward Mountain
I will bring in the deputy convener in a moment. The trouble is that we overrun when it is an interesting subject and everyone has lots of questions. That is fine—I do not mind that we have delayed the cabinet secretary. She can wait, because this is interesting and informative. However, I encourage the witnesses to give short answers. If you agree with one another, you can just say, “So-and-so is right”, instead of each person answering the question slightly differently. That is a gentle push for timekeeping.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Edward Mountain
Keeping it simple and short works for me.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Edward Mountain
Ralph, you have the option of agreeing with Doug and Simon or coming up with two other things. Which would you like to do?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Edward Mountain
Thank you for coming to give evidence. I am sorry that the session ran on a bit, but that happens when the subject enthuses committee members. Thank you very much for that and for your time.
I suspend the meeting to allow for a change of witnesses.
11:02 Meeting suspended.Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Edward Mountain
Our second item of business is consideration of a legislative consent memorandum on the United Kingdom Government’s Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill. The committee took evidence on that at its meeting on 30 September and agreed that further evidence would support our consideration.
As a brief reminder, a legislative consent memorandum is laid when a UK bill makes provision in areas that are within the legislative competence of the Scottish Parliament, or alters that competence or the executive competence of the Scottish Government. The committee must report to the Parliament on whether its consent should be granted.
The committee is also taking the opportunity to look more broadly at the prospect of sustainable aviation fuel production in Scotland and the potential role of that in reducing greenhouse gases from aviation. That will feed into our work later this year, when we will consider transportation aspects of the Scottish Government’s forthcoming climate change plan.
The bill aims to create more stable pricing for sustainable aviation fuel to encourage domestic production to grow, in parallel with increasing the mandate for the use of SAF by the industry. The Scottish Government supports the bill overall but is withholding its consent for now on some technical matters. I was going to say that I hoped that we would see a supplementary LCM soon, but we received that at 7 o’clock last night, and I believe that another will be forthcoming shortly.
I welcome Simon McNamara, head of government and corporate affairs, Loganair, and Doug McKiernan, co-founder and chief technical officer for Zero. I think that you were Zero Petroleum—is it now Zero?