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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Edward Mountain

The upper 30s—okay.

The next questions are from Douglas Lumsden.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Edward Mountain

Mark, you wrote to the committee on 21 March in response to our letter regarding the climate change plan, and I just want to pick up on a couple of the points in that letter.

The second paragraph notes that the previous climate change plan was agreed to in the dying days—for lack of a better description—of the previous session of Parliament, prior to the May 2021 election, with the plan being agreed to without amendment in March 2021. You felt that that was unsatisfactory, but it looks as though we will be in the same position again. We will receive comments on the climate change plan from the Climate Change Committee in May and will go through the procedure up until Christmas. If I was a betting man, which I am not, I would probably say that we will not agree the climate change plan until March next year, which will be just before the next election. Are you happy that we will be back where we were before?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Edward Mountain

My fear is how it will be costed. There might be some very high-level objectives and aims, but we will have no idea of the true cost of the heat in buildings strategy or whatever the Parliament decides to do. The problem with the last plan was that there was no costed idea of where it was going, was it not?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Edward Mountain

I go to the deputy convener for a question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Edward Mountain

It might be helpful to you, Michael, but I am still totally confused as to who is doing what. SEPA and Scottish Water—which will, no doubt, be reviewing this evidence session—might want to pass comment on the information that we have just heard, because I am sorry to say that I remain confused.

I will come to Mark Ruskell for a question, but before you leave the topic of water and go on to something else, I would like a follow-up. You go ahead with your question first.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Edward Mountain

In his letter, Mark Roberts talks about the Government’s commitment to continued annual reporting. Will you review that annually to ensure that it is measuring up to its targets?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Edward Mountain

I do not think that that is the final question on this theme. Kevin Stewart wants to come in, too.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Edward Mountain

Agenda item 2 is consideration of a draft statutory instrument. The current regulations were laid on 27 February and concern regulation of various activities by the Scottish Environment Protection Agency. These regulations are very similar to regulations that were laid on 27 November last year, which were withdrawn on 9 December at the request of this committee to allow additional time for scrutiny. Again, I thank the Government for doing that; it has made for better scrutiny.

The clerk’s paper notes the evidence that we have heard on the matter. The Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee has made no formal recommendations on the regulations. It has noted that issues that it raised about previous regulations have been addressed in the new regulations.

I welcome to the meeting Gillian Martin, Acting Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero and Energy, and her supporting officials: Carolyn Boyd, solicitor, Scottish Government legal directorate; Gary Gray, senior policy adviser, Scottish Government environment and forestry directorate; and Phil Leeks, senior policy manager, Scottish Government environment and forestry directorate.

The instrument is laid under the affirmative procedure, which means that it cannot come into force until the Parliament approves it. Following this evidence session, the committee will be invited to consider a motion to recommend that the instrument be approved. I remind everyone that the Scottish Government officials can speak under this item but not in the debate that follows.

I invite the cabinet secretary to make a brief opening statement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Edward Mountain

Phil Leeks came to your rescue. Thank you for the answer. The next question is from Michael Matheson.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Edward Mountain

I will be pushing SEPA, if it is listening in, to answer that question, and I am sure that you will bring it to its attention, too, cabinet secretary.

Mark, you have some questions on another subject. I want to give you a couple of chances to develop them.