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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
My understanding of that situation is that people can take action themselves—
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
—whereas the bill says that there has to be
“a process of natural recovery”,
which confirms that people cannot do anything. If nature cannot reverse something, it has got to be ecocide.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
I clarify that the term “wanton intent” was taken out.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
I apologise. Sorry, Douglas—please continue.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
I reconvene the meeting, which we paused because someone had lost control of the microphones—I do not know who it was; I think that it was someone from the IT department.
Sue, I do not know whether you got any warning that I was coming to you next, but you are next. Could you answer the question?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
I am trying to keep the questions on theme, so members will ask you questions later.
Shivali Fifield, do you want to come in next?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
Do any of the witnesses think that the bill does not define ecocide sufficiently? If you do not think that it does, you can raise your hand. Otherwise, you are agreeing with what Jamie Whittle has said. You have all looked away perfectly.
The next question is from Kevin Stewart.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
I apologise to those online, both witnesses and those who are watching the meeting, for the continued interruptions. I am told that it is a gremlin in the system and that there is no reason for it, so we will just have to work through it. Therefore, we get to hear again what Kevin was saying—so, we will hear you twice, Kevin.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
Edward Mountain
Good morning, and welcome to the 27th meeting in 2025 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee.
Our first item of business is a decision on taking business in private. Does the committee agree to take in private item 4, which is consideration of a draft report on the Planning and Infrastructure Bill supplementary legislative consent memorandum, and item 5, which is consideration of the evidence that we received on the Climate Change (Scotland) Bill 2009 (Scottish Carbon Budgets) Amendment Regulations 2025?
Members indicated agreement.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
Edward Mountain
09:37
Our next item of business is consideration of a statutory instrument. The order has been laid under the negative procedure, which means that it will come into force unless the Parliament agrees a motion to annul it. No such motion has been lodged, and the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee has made no comment on the order.
Before we go on to consider the order itself, I want to make a comment on the accompanying policy note. It seems to assume certain pre-existing technical knowledge. For example, there are references to “EU values” and “UK values” with regard to trading; there is no further explanation of the terms, and I am not entirely clear what they mean. It is very important to me as a parliamentarian that policy notes are understandable—they should be understandable to any member of the public who wants to know what an instrument does, and they should be understandable when parliamentarians are being asked to agree to instruments.
The policy note also uses greenhouse gas statistics from 2019 although, as I have been informed by the Scottish Parliament information centre, the 2023 figures have been available since June. Furthermore, the policy note refers to being “carbon neutral by 2040”. That might well be a specific policy commitment in a particular area, but a little more context to clarify that would have been helpful and welcome to me as somebody considering the instrument.
That said, do members have any comments? If not, I invite the committee to agree that it does not wish to make any recommendation in relation to the instrument. Are we agreed?
Members indicated agreement.