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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
Mark, you were waiting to come in on various issues, and we have finally come to you.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
That is an interesting situation, because I do not think that doing something that you know is wrong is a defence for doing that act. History has proven that saying that you are following orders is not a good enough excuse for doing something wrong. I was not quite sure that I had followed the previous issue.
The deputy convener mentioned an unlimited fine and 20 years in the nick. An unlimited fine might mean nothing if you get a huge bonus, whereas a fine of £500 for somebody who has very little income, perhaps a crofter, might be massive and might be a death knell to their business, so I do not quite understand how that range works. One of the suggestions was to link fines to the turnover of the organisation. How do you feel about that? Scottish Water has a massive turnover and a massive amount of money, and it could pay a massive fine. A crofter on the west coast has very little turnover and should get only a very little fine. What do you think? Professor Parsons, do you want to refute that comment?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
That is an interesting idea—because it is a public sector organisation, it does not get a fine. I am sure that that is not quite how you would put it, but that is my interpretation.
Jonnie, what are your views on that?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
I call Sarah Boyack—but very briefly, please.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
It might then be a matter of who in the Government you would hold accountable.
Mark Ruskell may ask a supplementary question, if it could be a really quick one, please.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
That was quite a long question, but I am going to squeeze the time that you have to answer it. Please be as succinct as possible.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
This morning’s two evidence sessions have raised a heap of questions on the bill that the committee will want to consider. We might want to discuss some hypothetical situations so that we understand what could happen. The evidence has been really helpful. I thank the witnesses and ask them to leave the room as quickly as possible, because we are up against the clock and about to go into private session.
12:04 Meeting continued in private until 12:59.Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
Monica Lennon will have a chance to ask her questions, too.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
I think that Valerie Fogleman wanted to come in on that point. Did you want to come in there, Valerie?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
Yes is fine; you only get a short answer. Sue, yes or no?