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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
I was going to say that you had all done so well, but Jonnie Hall blew it by more than a sentence or two. Do you think that we should make ecocide a criminal offence? I will start in the middle and work my way outwards, which means that Elspeth Macdonald should speak first.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
I will move to the next question. At the start, I should have clarified my interests, although I know that committee members get bored of it. I suspect that, as Jonnie Hall will speak a bit about agriculture, I should remind committee members that I am a member of a family farming partnership in Moray, but I am not a member of the NFUS. That is my declaration out of the way, so I hand over to Sarah Boyack.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
I see nods.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
The deputy convener wants to come in and then we will move to questions from Kevin Stewart.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
Good morning and welcome to the 28th meeting in 2025 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. I welcome to the committee Sarah Boyack, who is the Labour Party substitute member. Under rule 9.1.3A of our standing orders, Monica Lennon is not entitled to exercise the rights of a committee member in relation to agenda items 1, 2 and 3, because she is the member in charge of the bill that the committee will be considering under those items. Under those circumstances, the Labour Party substitute member Sarah Boyack is entitled to take her place.
Monica Lennon is, however, attending our meeting and, as all members of the Scottish Parliament are, she is entitled to attend the public evidence session. In accordance with how I have always run committees, I will give her a chance to ask some questions of each panel at the end of the discussions.
When we get to item 4, which does not concern the Ecocide (Scotland) Bill, rule 9.1.3A no longer applies to Monica Lennon and I understand that she will take part in the item in her capacity as a committee member; Sarah Boyack will not take part in that item. I hope that that is all clear.
Item 3 is consideration of the evidence heard on the Ecocide (Scotland) Bill; item 4 is consideration of a draft report on the Climate Change (Scotland) Act 2009 (Scottish Carbon Budgets) Amendment Regulations 2025. Do we agree to take those items in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
I am going to ask a couple of specific questions. My first question is for Jamie Whittle. That will give you a chance to prepare, Jamie. Is the definition of ecocide in the bill sufficient?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
I will suspend the meeting again, because we have an unstable connection. Sorry, Kevin, to cut you off in mid-flow.
09:21 Meeting suspended.Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
Before we go too far with that, I am keen to have an open discussion, but I am not keen to point fingers at somebody who might or might not have done something, because they might turn around and say that an act of defamation has been carried out in the committee because somebody has accused them of doing something. As convener, I would be more comfortable if we talked about the principle or the idea rather than saying that an individual has done something. I am sorry for interrupting, Michael, but I want to protect myself and you and the other committee members.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
The next questions come from Michael Matheson.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Edward Mountain
Catherine McWilliam, if you are going to answer the question, you may talk only about how your approach would differ to what has been suggested. I am sorry, but we are up against the clock.