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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 24 September 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

I thank the panel members for their evidence and for helping us as we look at the future of hydrogen.

I briefly suspend the meeting to allow a changeover of witnesses. I ask members to be back here at five past 11.

10:58 Meeting suspended.  

11:07 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

One issue, though, is the fact that, as soon as the electricity that is generated across the Highlands hits the national grid, the price goes through the roof and it prices hydrogen out. I come from an area that seems to have a proliferation of wind farms, pylons and all the problems that go with that and a community that does not seem to benefit from it. Some regionality in hydrogen production would seem quite good where there is wind power.

The other issue is water. We are in a situation where just about all of Scotland is potentially in a drought situation, yet we seem to be concentrating on hydrogen from water on the east coast when, traditionally, it has always been the west coast that has had more water. Do we need more joined-up thinking about all those points?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

Is this a legacy of the fact that we did not plan where all the wind farms were going? Are we going to have everything dotted around the landscape because we do not have joined-up thought on the whole system of electricity and power generation? Mercedes, do you want to come back in on that? I am also happy to bring anyone else in.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

Whatever the option is, it appears that putting it into the national grid and buying it off the national grid to create hydrogen is not the way forward.

Mark Ruskell has a question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

Perfect.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

Douglas, can I make the suggestion? That might be outwith the technical competence of the panel of witnesses, which I am sure is very varied. We ought to write to SGN and find out how easy it would be to transport hydrogen. Would it use steel pipelines like the one that runs from Aberdeen to Inverness—I know about that because it comes through the farm—or would it use plastic ones?

We should ask it that, because it is clear that, if we move to hydrogen, we will have to transport it. It would be useful to know how easy it would be to do that. Are you happy with that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

I do not know why I got that wrong—Statera Energy Ltd. I also welcome: Bill Ireland, the chief executive officer for Logan Energy Ltd; Mark Bradley, the hydrogen director in Scottish Power; David Amos, the managing director of PlusZero; and Tim Dumenil, the head of business development for Storegga, who is attending remotely.

At the outset, I refer members to my register of interests, which declares that I am a proprietor of salmon fishings on the River Spey and am a member of the Spey Fishery Board. The board, which is a statutory body, has recently considered a planning application for a hydrogen plant at Marypark, which was submitted by Storegga. As the plant would take water out of the River Spey, the board had to consider the options and its responsibilities regarding protecting the fisheries management of the catchment, and, on that basis, has objected to the application on the ground that it would take water out of the river, which the board feels is inappropriate. I hope that that is a full declaration.

I am going to go straight to questions. The first question is always an easy one—I like to think so, anyway—as it involves asking witnesses for their views on how things are working at the moment. You will each get a chance to answer it, starting with Bill Ireland—I am giving you plenty of warning that I am coming to you.

Project willow does not advocate the use of green or blue hydrogen, and the UK and Scottish Governments have said that it needs a twin-track approach. Do you think that that approach is correct or do you think that more attention should be paid to green or blue hydrogen?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

I think that Douglas Lumsden has the next questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

Sorry—do you want to come in, Mark?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

It is probably fair to say that people find it particularly difficult to stomach when, if there is too much electricity so power cannot be generated, constraint payments are given to people with wind farms. That power could perhaps be diverted not to massive battery storage sites but to hydrogen sites or wherever we wanted it to go.

Tim Dumenil wants to come in.

09:45