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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

If you have any questions, we will bring you in at the end.

Item 3 is an evidence session on the state of Scotland’s rail and bus sectors. Today, we will hear from two panels. The first includes representatives from rail and bus passenger groups, and the second panel includes witnesses representing rail and bus sector staff. Next week, we will hear from bus and rail operators, companies and sector representatives.

I am pleased to welcome Greig MacKay, who is the Bus Users UK director for Scotland. Greig is joining us remotely. Islay Jackson MSYP is the deputy convener of the transport, environment and rural affairs committee of the Scottish Youth Parliament, and Robert Samson is senior engagement manager at Transport Focus.

We will move straight to questions. I will ask the first question, which is always a gentle warm-up for the panel. Do you perceive the continuing reduction in bus services as having any impact on passengers, especially those who are reliant on buses to access educational, work and social activities? Evidence from rural areas and areas where there are fewer buses would be useful.

Greig MacKay, will you start with that? We will check that the connection is working. I am told that a volunteer is as good as a pressed person, so off you go.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Edward Mountain

If you take £35 million out of the network support grant, it is not surprising that bus services in more rural and less commercial areas get cut—is that what you are saying?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Scottish Water Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Edward Mountain

I am struggling slightly to understand this. I assume that Scottish Water has pensions, statutory sick pay and other benefits, which contractors might not pay. It might be helpful if somebody could talk to some of those points in answering the question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Scottish Water Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Edward Mountain

So much for that being a brief question. Mark Ruskell is next.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Scottish Water Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Edward Mountain

I will bring the deputy convener in next, but first I note that I was delighted to hear that you are reducing the use of plastics across your business. It is a pity that your vans are all wrapped in plastic when you get them and you then discard it, but maybe there is a good reason for that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Scottish Water Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Edward Mountain

I accept that, when the pipe is wet, there is no risk to public health from asbestos, but the fact that you have suggested that the pipes are failing means that the asbestos will dry out, fracture and splinter, which could cause greater risk. Scottish Water went through a phase of replacing the pipes by bursting them into the soil and threading a pipe through them, which was found to be unhelpful and polluting in its own right. I understand what you have said to me, but I am concerned. Will we replace all the pipes before 2072?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Petition

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Edward Mountain

Welcome back to the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. Our third item of business is consideration of petition PE2123, which was submitted by Asthma and Lung UK Scotland. The petition asks the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to amend the Air Quality Standards (Scotland) Regulations 2010 by setting new limits for nitrogen dioxide and fine particulate matter in order to align with the World Health Organization’s 2021 air quality guidelines.

We are dealing with the petition for the first time, but we have conducted wider work on air quality in this parliamentary session, including on the issue of alignment with the 2021 guidelines. We also touched on the issue in recent evidence sessions with SEPA and ESS.

I draw members’ attention to the meeting papers, and specifically to paper 3, which sets out some options for further scrutiny. We have the option of closing the petition if we consider it appropriate to do so. Does any member wish to express any views?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Petition

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Edward Mountain

I think that the deputy convener’s suggestion was to find out what the Government is doing first, and then consider the best way to respond to that, for example, through having an evidence session, as Mark Ruskell and Monica Lennon suggested. All of that is slightly dependent on our work programme discussion, which comes later on in our agenda.

Douglas is looking at me as though he would like to say something.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Scottish Water Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Edward Mountain

The deputy convener has some questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Scottish Water Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Edward Mountain

—I can see that by the wagging of your pen.