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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 November 2025
Edward Mountain
No—you are in the firing line.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 November 2025
Edward Mountain
I will bring in Monica Lennon. I am sorry, Monica, but, due to pressures of time, you get one question and one question only.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 November 2025
Edward Mountain
I will come in briefly as I am not understanding something. I think that the suggestion is that the issuing of the permit may have been reckless because it was not properly considered, unless I have got that wrong. Kevin, is that what you are asking about?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 November 2025
Edward Mountain
I think that in our first evidence session we heard that an absolute protection against individual workers was wanted and that only companies should hold responsibility. We are getting the impression from today’s panel that that is not a sensible way forward.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 November 2025
Edward Mountain
Our second item of business is an evidence session on the Ecocide (Scotland) Bill. We are gathering evidence on the general principles of the bill before we report to the Parliament at stage 1. The Parliament has not yet set a stage 1 deadline.
Today, we will take evidence from two panels of witnesses, and these will be our fourth and fifth evidence sessions on the bill. I welcome our first panel: Dr Clare Frances Moran, lecturer and co-director of the Aberdeen centre for constitutional and public international law at the University of Aberdeen; Murdo MacLeod KC; Rachael Weir, head of policy and engagement at the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service; and Iain Batho, head of the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service’s wildlife and environmental crime unit. I thank the witnesses for attending the meeting.
My first questions are a gentle warmer into the bank to get you into the swing of answering questions. Do you agree with how ecocide is defined in the bill, or do you have suggestions for how the definition could be strengthened? Does the bill target the appropriate level and type of environmental harm? Does it deal with the issue of future challenges in interpreting the definitions?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 November 2025
Edward Mountain
I will bring in the deputy convener, Michael Matheson.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 November 2025
Edward Mountain
Could you give one example of an event that has taken place since 2014 where the provisions in the bill would have been more appropriate than the legislation that we have already?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 November 2025
Edward Mountain
I know that Parliament thinks carefully about enacting new legislation. Clare Frances Moran, do you want to say anything on this?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 November 2025
Edward Mountain
That is interesting—thank you.
Mark Ruskell has the next questions.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 November 2025
Edward Mountain
It sounds as though there is a back-door escape route here.