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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 November 2025
Edward Mountain
Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the 33rd meeting in 2025 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. I welcome to the meeting Sarah Boyack, who is attending as a substitute member for Monica Lennon for consideration of the Ecocide (Scotland) Bill. Under rule 9.13A of our standing orders, Monica Lennon is not entitled to exercise the rights of a committee member in relation to the bill, because she is the member in charge of the bill. That means that she cannot participate as a committee member in any item of business that relates to the bill. However, as we can see, Monica is present for the evidence session and, as is the case with all other members of the Scottish Parliament when they attend a committee, she will be entitled to ask some questions at the end of the session.
I would like to make everyone aware that, at an appropriate moment after 10:50, I will pause the meeting to allow members to observe the armistice day two-minute silence in the garden lobby. I have said to the witnesses that I will escort them to the event if they are here at that time and would like to attend.
Under our first item of business, do committee members agree to take in private item 3, which is consideration of the evidence that we will have heard earlier in the meeting on the Ecocide (Scotland) Bill, including consideration of our approach to further scrutiny at stage 1?
Members indicated agreement.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 November 2025
Edward Mountain
I will bring in Iain Batho, followed by Rachael Weir and Murdo MacLeod. That will put them out of the pain of waiting.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 November 2025
Edward Mountain
Douglas Lumsden has a supplementary question.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 November 2025
Edward Mountain
Rachel Killean wants to come in on that point. At this stage, I will say that I always try to balance the answers and the questions, and I have to live with all the committee members after today, so, if I run out of time and cannot let them get their questions in, I get into trouble with them and my life becomes difficult. Therefore, I am looking for short questions and short answers.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 November 2025
Edward Mountain
I wanted to have a hard stop at 20 past 12, so I am afraid that I will have to stop here, as we are seven minutes past that.
I thank all the panel members for giving evidence in such detail today. I give special thanks to Rachel Killean, as it is nearly half past 11 at night where she is. It shows remarkable fortitude that she can give evidence that late in the evening—I am not sure that I would be able to.
We will now move into private session.
12:28 Meeting continued in private until 12:59.Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 November 2025
Edward Mountain
As no other members have questions to ask, I will bring in Monica Lennon.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 November 2025
Edward Mountain
We are, indeed.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 November 2025
Edward Mountain
Suwita, do you want to comment on that?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 November 2025
Edward Mountain
I apologise.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 November 2025
Edward Mountain
Murdo MacLeod is buzzing to come in, because he wants to defend somebody.