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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 28 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

We heard this morning about hydrogen being produced, although probably not at Grangemouth, but then moving production to Grangemouth so that the site is used. Do you all agree with that? Is that how it should go?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

Nic, do you want to comment on that? I can see where you probably want it, but it is not where the water is.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

Okay. I may need to look at that a bit more. Nic, do you want to comment?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

On that basis, we have come to the end of the discussion. We are slightly over time, for which I apologise. Thank you all for coming today and for the two submissions that we had. I also thank Hannah Chalmers and Mercedes Marto-Valer for volunteering to answer the questions when they came up and for doing so with such clarity.

12:20 Meeting continued in private until 12:39.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

I do not know why I got that wrong—Statera Energy Ltd. I also welcome: Bill Ireland, the chief executive officer for Logan Energy Ltd; Mark Bradley, the hydrogen director in Scottish Power; David Amos, the managing director of PlusZero; and Tim Dumenil, the head of business development for Storegga, who is attending remotely.

At the outset, I refer members to my register of interests, which declares that I am a proprietor of salmon fishings on the River Spey and am a member of the Spey Fishery Board. The board, which is a statutory body, has recently considered a planning application for a hydrogen plant at Marypark, which was submitted by Storegga. As the plant would take water out of the River Spey, the board had to consider the options and its responsibilities regarding protecting the fisheries management of the catchment, and, on that basis, has objected to the application on the ground that it would take water out of the river, which the board feels is inappropriate. I hope that that is a full declaration.

I am going to go straight to questions. The first question is always an easy one—I like to think so, anyway—as it involves asking witnesses for their views on how things are working at the moment. You will each get a chance to answer it, starting with Bill Ireland—I am giving you plenty of warning that I am coming to you.

Project willow does not advocate the use of green or blue hydrogen, and the UK and Scottish Governments have said that it needs a twin-track approach. Do you think that that approach is correct or do you think that more attention should be paid to green or blue hydrogen?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

I think that Douglas Lumsden has the next questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

Sorry—do you want to come in, Mark?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

It is probably fair to say that people find it particularly difficult to stomach when, if there is too much electricity so power cannot be generated, constraint payments are given to people with wind farms. That power could perhaps be diverted not to massive battery storage sites but to hydrogen sites or wherever we wanted it to go.

Tim Dumenil wants to come in.

09:45  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

The deputy convener wants in with a follow-up question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Edward Mountain

I will be tight. To reiterate what the deputy convener said, he is asking for one option per panel member, and that is not one long list.

Why do we not start with Bill Ireland and work our way along?