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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 January 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Edward Mountain

Good morning, and welcome to the third meeting in 2026 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. We are now in public session. We have received apologies from Monica Lennon, and we welcome Sarah Boyack to the committee as the Labour Party substitute.

We began the meeting in private so that we could sign off a report that we had agreed to take in private at a prior meeting. Our second item of business is a decision to take in private item 6 on our agenda, which is consideration of today’s evidence on the draft climate change plan. We will also use that item to consider the evidence that we heard on the plan at our meetings on 16 December and 6 January. Do members agree to take item 6 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Edward Mountain

It was a point, I think.

The next question comes from Bob Doris.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Edward Mountain

There I was, when scheduling for this with the clerks, thinking that it would all be over in 30 minutes, apart from the shouting. How wrong I was.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Edward Mountain

You had a lot of questions, Sarah, and I am not sure that we will get through them all. As I am conscious of the time, I will move to Douglas Lumsden, unless there is a specific question that you want to ask or that you feel is not sufficiently answered for you to move on.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Edward Mountain

Just to clarify, if the entitlement is removed, you are removing the young person’s ability to get to education. Is that what you are saying?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Edward Mountain

That is what you just said.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Edward Mountain

Just to push the point so that I fully understand it, if a young person uses Lothian Buses, for example, to go to school, and he or she has had their concessionary travel removed, they can walk or cycle but they are not allowed to use the bus to go to school. That seems bizarre.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Edward Mountain

They cannot use their travel card; they just have to pay their money. That does not protect bus users from being abused.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Edward Mountain

According to procedure, minister, it is up to you to speak to the motion and to say at this stage whether you will move it or not move it. I am just looking at the clerks and that is correct: at this stage, it is up to you, not the committee, to make recommendations. I can make some comments on behalf of the committee if you decide not to move it.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Edward Mountain

Minister, thank you for making that decision. As convener of the committee, I say to you that there is no doubt that committee members accept the need for the legislation, and I believe that the committee will empower me to work with you to ensure that what can be done is done to allow you to bring the matter back as soon as possible, so that we can fully understand the proposals. I give you that assurance, and I thank you for making your position clear this morning.

I briefly suspend the meeting to allow a changeover of witnesses.

10:28

Meeting suspended.

10:31

On resuming—