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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 22 January 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

My point moves us slightly away from the bill, but it relates to Paul McLennan’s question about the UNCRC.

We are scrutinising a Government bill that has similar problems. These questions are probably best addressed to Nicola Killean. Should there be better guidance? Numerous pieces of legislation are now coming forward that are all potentially becoming unstuck for the same reason. I think that your colleague who spoke to us a couple of weeks ago said that things were the same for the Housing (Scotland) Bill, which is now going through stage 3. There is also a member’s bill, which is being supported by the non-Government bills unit, and a Government-supported bill on the Promise. Why do we have to make corrections to bills later on in the process? Why is that not sorted out to begin with?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

We move to John Mason.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Does it matter whether there is the physical barrier of the locked door or a person, or a verbal instruction not to move?

12:15  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Is this bill not the opportunity to move away from it? I understand restraint as a final tool to stop a child from injuring themselves or others, but seclusion is not really the same, if you are saying that it breaches that child’s human rights.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Ross Greer?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Ultimately, you believe that there should be no circumstances in which restraint and seclusion would be available. The vast majority of respondents say that they should be available as a last resort. Are you saying that they should be excluded completely?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Ms Martin, I come to you. I want to talk particularly about the figures that Ms Sanger gave during her opening remarks that, in the month since the schools went back, 81 families have contacted SHAME with concerns. Is that the type of number that the National Autistic Society is hearing from? Is that the level of the problem that we in Scotland are facing?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

On that point, do you think that the terminology should be changed if the bill progresses?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you. That sets us up very well for the remainder of our evidence session and the further evidence that we will take.

Dr Webster, in your response to the call for views, you say:

“Enable’s own Scottish Council—which sets our campaign priorities—identified ending abusive restraint and seclusion as a top priority in recent years. The overwhelming weight of evidence from our members and others shows that without legislation, children’s rights will continue to be breached.”

You support the bill. Why has it taken us so long to get to this stage, if you and your members and campaigners have been calling for this for many years?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you all for your evidence today and your answers to our questions. It has been a very helpful start to our stage 1 consideration of this non-Government bill from Daniel Johnson.

I suspend the meeting briefly.

10:52 Meeting suspended.  

11:02 On resuming—