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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Douglas Ross

If that did not satisfy you, what more would Liz Smith need to do with regard to those meetings to meet your aspirations of her as the member in charge? I agree with Mr Mason that, on paper, it seems as though a barrier has been put in place. I am encouraged by what you are saying, but I want to be clear about your expectations of those meetings.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Back to Dundee university, you said that the Pamela Gillies report is due next week. Have you had any indication that it will definitely be delivered next week, or are you aware of any delay, as far as you can tell us?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Douglas Ross

I thank the cabinet secretary, ministers and officials for their time today. We have had a constructive, wide-ranging and productive meeting, and we are extremely grateful for that.

I now conclude this evidence session and the public part of our proceedings. The committee will move into private session to consider its final agenda item.

12:24 Meeting continued in private until 12:38.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Yes, it has.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Douglas Ross

I am very pleased to see that my own local authority, Moray Council, is one of the eight that have been selected from the 17 applicants. What happens to the local authorities who wanted to be part of the scheme but were not selected? What feedback are they given, and what can they do while the study continues?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Cabinet secretary, I have a question to follow on from Willie Rennie’s questions. When did you last meet Scottish Teachers for Permanence?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Douglas Ross

The last meeting was on 28 November 2024 and its members had not heard anything, so I am encouraged to hear that a meeting is now in the diary. However, they also believed that you would convene a meeting between them, COSLA and yourself. Has that also happened, or will it happen?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you very much. We move to George Adam.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Douglas Ross

I requested the details of those who applied but were not successful, so that members could know whether they should approach their local authority to ask, “Did you apply? If you did not, why did you not apply?”. That might be helpful for some members.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Let us try that. Okay. We will start again.

Good morning, and welcome to the 20th meeting in 2025 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee.

This morning, we will take evidence from the Scottish Government in an education and skills cross-portfolio session. We are also joined by Liz Smith MSP, who will ask her questions after all committee members have spoken.

I welcome Jenny Gilruth, the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills; Graeme Dey, the Minister for Higher and Further Education; and Minister for Veterans; and Natalie Don-Innes, the Minister for Children, Young People and The Promise. The cabinet secretary and ministers are joined by their Scottish Government officials, and I welcome Graeme Logan, director of learning; Clare Hicks, director of education reform; Andrew Watson, director for children and families; and Stuart Greig, deputy director, governance and assurance division, lifelong learning and skills.

I understand that the cabinet secretary would like to make an opening statement.